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There Is A War Going On Between Religion And Science. Is A Truce Possible


by Ian R Thorpe.

The war, let's be honest, is between religious fundamentalists and science fanatics. Each is straying into the other's territory. But both are out of order and should leave the unanswetrable questions to philosophy. Can there be a truce, can the two coexist?

There Is A War Going On Between Religion And Science. Is A Truce Possible

"Religion's truce with science can't hold". a commentator in The Guardian asked. The first question the better informed reader might well ask is "What truce."

Any scientific project seeking to explain the great questions posed by the human condition is doomed to failure and will conclude with the well worn phrase "more research is needed." Any religious belief seeking to explain the 'how's of the universe is encroaching on the territory of science and for those seeking truth science will always win.

One of the most tedious and most often repeated questions in the public debate about faith has been "are religion and science compatible?" It is a question to which there can be no definitive answer and because that is the case, the question will not go away?

The usual answer is that religion and science are compatible because they are not talking about the same things. Religion does not make empirical claims about how the universe works, and to treat it as though it did is to make a categorical error. Therefore the solution would be for each to respect the other's boundaries allowing them to co - exist in a kind of truce like North and South Korea.

The biologist Stephen Jay Gould proposed such an arrangement when he argued that science and religion have non-overlapping doctrines. In his book Rock of Ages, Gould wrote that science deals with "the empirical realm: what the universe is made of (fact) and why does it work in this way (theory). The magisterium of religion extends over questions of ultimate meaning and moral value. These two areas do not overlap, nor do they encompass all inquiry." In short, science is empirical, religion is ethical.

A similar approach was taken by by the physicist John Polkinghorne and the mathematician Nicholas Beale in their book, Questions of Truth. They put it thus: "Science is concerned with the question, How? – By what process do things happen? Theology is concerned with the question, Why? – Is there a meaning and purpose behind what is happening?"

It should be a simple distinction but maintaining it proves to be very difficult indeed. Many "why" questions are unanswerable and therefore stray into a very grey area. If you ask: " When iron it heated to almost white hot why does plunging it into cold water to cool it rapidly give us steel (a primitive form of steel) while allowing it to cool naturally returns it to it's original state. Science can answer that at high temperatures certain molecular changes occur and rapid cooling fixes these changes. That explains the process, the how. Why it happens is a different matter and while scientists tie themselves in knots trying to provide a credible answer to questioners, to say "because that's what God intended" is just a cop out.

This example proves there are many things in the world that are not understood, we use them, we benefit from them but we do not understand the forces at work.

The books by Gould and by Polkinghorne and Beale have both been around a few years and we could say of their reasoned approach, that was then, this is now. In the last decade a conflict has broken out between science and religion. This stems from an almost evangelical faith among some scientists that science can answer any questions and in a cop out of almost religious proportions they simply dismiss any questions that they have no answer for coming up against a resurgence of religious faith in response to the failure of science to build a perfect world.

It is necessary to understand that scientific "why" questions do not imply any deliberate action intent. We can ask why the dinosaurs died out, why smoking causes cancer and so on without implying any intentions. In the theistic context, however, "why" questions are usually about intent. Of a number of people with the same disease and given the same treatment, why do some die and others survive. The answer must involve causation and intention otherwise it is not an answer. The only answer that does stand up in most cases is "We don't know."

"We don't know" may satisfy those of us who have studied Hindu or Buddhist philosophy, the Stoics of Ancient Greece or the European pagan tradition but humans are by nature explanation seeking animals and most have not learned to override that impulse.

This means that if someone asks why things are as they are, what their meaning and purpose is, and the respondent puts God in the answer, it almost inevitably lead to a claim that God has set things a certain way way, or intervened in some way, to make sure the divine purpose is achieved. The neat division between scientific "how" and religious "why" questions therefore turns out to be not so neat.

A lot depends on what we mean by 'science'. If the objective of science is to uncover the laws that govern the universe and nature then no-one of any faith should have an issue with that If however the question to be answered relates to the history of the universe we are on entirely different and much more treacherous ground? Question Big Bang theory and the Science Inquisition will jump on you crying "heretic" and demanding that you be burned. And yet supporters of Big Bang theory have had to invent black holes, dark matter, dark energy and inflation (with no evidence whatsoever other than that they must exist or the equations on which our whole model of the universe is based simply fall apart.

Evolution is a theory that flatly refuses to be evidenced by the fossil record unless you begin with the a priori assumption that the theory itself is true even though there is plenty of evidence to indicate that it is a nonsense. Question evolution however and you are again branded a heretic, young earth creationist and a "right wing nut job." And yet although creatures evolve, like Big Bang, the theory is full of holes. This is largely because Charles Darwin's original theory which was based on empirical evidence has been stretched to include ideas like abiogenisis, the notion that life emerged spontaneously as a result of a chemical accident.

Religion should have no problem with real, empirical science. Where there is a problem between the two lies in the area of pseudo - science, theories based on unproven and unprovable assumptions which are used as prisms through which the evidence is filtered and subjectively interpreted and presented as to "proof" that the theory is correct.

It is somewhat astonishing that may well educated people cannot, through the endless circular reasoning involved, understand and accept that humans are unscientific creatures and the mind will see what it wants to see.

From this we see how devotees of "science" don't actually understand what it is (not a political position, a method of working or a dogma but an affirmed body of knowledge based on evidence) but, led by their hatred of not knowing everything they are actually turning it into a religion.

In an approach he calls anthropic fine-tuning, the Christian physicist, Paul Davies, offers us "The Goldilocks Enigma": the conditions in the universe are just right for life to have evolved, and had a few things been just slightly different at the Big Bang, none of us would be here. At the moment, there is no generally accepted scientific explanation for why or how this is so and even big bang theory has been shown to be more full of holes that a kitchen sieve so as the vast majority of scientists totally reject any alternative to Big Bang (the only evidence of which is gathered from mathematical speculations the question "How did life evolve in the universe can only be answered with a resounding "We don't know." To answer otherwise requires an act of faith, a belief in something for which there is no proof.

Taking off his physicist's coat and donning his theologian's hat, Dr. Polkinghorne (sic) answers the "why" question by saying that the life-enabling laws of physics are "graciously provided by the creator". Not only does this introduce a theological why where we'd normally just look for a scientific why, it is also a claim about how the universe came to be the way it is, namely, by divine fiat. It trespasses onto the "how" territory of science, but since it cannot explain the mechanism by which God intervened, nor test the hypothesis that he did so, it is no substitute for a proper scientific answer. On the other hand the scientists currently chasing the epheremeral Higgs Boson, the sub atomic particle which they need to prove exists otherwise the whole scientific theory of how the universe works will simply fall apart and we are back to God or the stoical "it works."

There are ways of understanding religion that do not fall into this God versus science trap. Brauch Spinoza's "God-or-nature" approach, the divine could act with a purpose that was, at root, simply the playing out of natural forces. But the theistic God is "behind" what happens, not simply part of it. This is very close to the Hindu / Buddhist / Pagan idea of "the oneness, a whole of which we are all part.

Alternatively many people of faith say that religion is not about belief at all, and so never explains anything in terms of agency-why. By following that line we can see that any religious belief that involves an interventionist, physically present God and claims that the sacred texts of that faith hold indisputable truths about why things happen, must also be encroaching on questions of how they happen too. And if that is the case the comfortable peace which many claim should exist between science and religion just isn't possible.

The religious believer could bite the bullet, accept that religion does make some empirical claims, and then defend their compatibility with science one by one. But the fact that two beliefs are compatible with each other is the most minimal test of their reasonableness imaginable. All sorts of outlandish beliefs – that the Apollo moon landings never happened, that a marginal increase in the CO2 component of air will certainly cause a global catastrophe, that weather can be controlled so accurately we can rely on the wind to generate all the electricity we need, are scientifically feasible, but that hardly makes them credible. What really counts, what should really make the difference between acceptance and rejection of an empirical claim, is not whether it is compatible with the existing science, but whether an evidence-led, rational examination a problem that offers a better solution than competing alternatives.

So the fact that science is compatible with religion turns out to be a comforting red herring. We should be asking is theoretical science compatible with reality.

How easily science and religion can rub on together depends very much on what kind of religion and what kind of we're talking about. If it is a kind of religion that seeks to explain the hows of the universe, telling us God created everything in seven days, or ends up trying to inculcate such ideas by suggestion, then it is competing with science. In the same way when scientists start trying to control nature and resort to telling lies in order to justify their meddling in what does not need to be meddled in and their refusal to seriously consider possible consequences claiming they are scientists and know what they are doing, then the two are invading each other's territory. If the religion is of a kind that doesn't attempt to explain the hows of the universe, and the science seek to understand nature rather than controlling it then the science v religion debate can move on, free from the illusion that the outcome rests on one question with one answer.

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I Don't Know Which Is The Craziest April Fool
Just browsing a collection of blog posts I stumbled upon these two. Not sure which is the crazier:
Wind turbines kill horses, says American study
A new study from America has shown that young male horses are naturally drawn to a wind turbine’s rotating blades, which from a distance appear to them to resemble an audience of thin white lady horses, each giving them a big

Manufacturing Madness: The Pseudoscience of Modern Psychiatry
Mental Illness. If we have not reached it already, we are close to the point at which any minor eccentricity or expression of individuality can be diagnosed as a mental health problem for which some kind of therapy (usually involving the toxic products peddled by Big pharma) is necessary. But is this any thing more that a sleazy scam to make us all patients for life?

Foreign Exchange Market Rigging: Another Conspiracy Theory Exposed As Truth
The people who findly imagine themselves to be realists, rationalists and scientific thinkers have been yelling conspiracy theory for a long time now at those of us with the nous to work out what's really going on. well evidence is overrated because by the time it has come together the scam has been done and the perps (Goldman Sachs and the usual suspects) are away with the money.

Kerry stops Short Of Saying Climate Science Scepticism Is a Crime But ...
Everyone thought the global warming scam had receded into the background but Our New Unhappy Lords can't afford to give up on the carbon taxes they hoped for so easily. Though the evidence offered by the latest IPCC report offers only likewarm support for the idea that climate change will wipe out life on earth, the media hype has gone into full fear and panic mode

Intrusive Surveillance Technology, Internet control freaks and The Orwell-Huxley-Dick Dystiopianometer
Are privacy campaigners right to be worried about intrustive internet technology and the massive databases that log our behaviour and parse the data for patters that enable us to be targeted for advertising? Should we bee worried by surveillance or are those that raise doubts just scaremongering? The Orwell-huxley-Dick dystopianometer is rising.

What Is Democracy? Alf Garnett and Vladimir Putin Understand It
People talk about democracy and rule of law, but do they really understand what is involved in running a democratic nation like Britain or Russia with their large populations

Heading For The Last Roundup? GM crops a weapon of mass destruction
How did the title of a sentimental cowboy song take on such a sinister undertone in this Brave New World of The Scientific Dictatorship. Well when you remember Roundup is the brand of a herbicide based on the highly potent toxing gyphosate and genetic engineering has turned the food we eat into a delivery system for putting this poison into our bodies, you realise we could all be headinf for the last Roundup sooner than we would like

HAARP: Have Scientists, In Their Quest For World Domination, Opened Pandora's Box Of Troubles
Mention HAARP and you will get the Church of Scientism cultists yelling "Conspiracy Theorist" like the religious fanatics that they are. but HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is no conspiracy theory, it is a well documented and officially acknowledged research project. We know what is can be used for (examined here in part 1 of a series) but what IS it being used for and what are the possible consequences. That will be looked at later ...

New World Order annexation of Ukraine.
Is it true that the uprising in Ukraine was anything but the spontaneous rebellion of a disenchanted population? Was it is fact just another regime change operation orchestrated by the FUKUS axis on behalf of the corporate and financial cartel that has hijacked western democracy.

Giant Whitewash Slick Sighted In Indian Ocean
The Malaysian Airlines missing Boeing 777 mystery is over, the mouthpieces of the New World Orderr declare. Though no wreckage has been found and technological data points to a very different conclusion, the powers that be have decided we must all accept the boeing 777 few way beyond its range, into a remote area of the Indian Ocean well over a thousand miles from land where the pilot ditched it. and we can all stop asking difficult question or else - see!

So Who Is Anti - science? Those Who Question Climate Change Or Those Who Would Abolish Free Speech
It was looking as if the global warming scare was dead, then that Nazi shit Barack Obama, seeing his dream of being President Of The World slipping away, gave his science whores enough money to enable them to kick some life back into it. Now the "science" lobby, unable to put together an convincing argument against their challengers are demanding the abolition of free speech.

Neuroscience Is Wrong. Human consciousness Did Not Spontaneously Occur Because Our Brains Got Big
One of the most obviously bogus of the new pseudo science disciplines in neuroscience. Not neurology, that is study of the brain - neuroscience is the study and subjective interpreatation of statistics obrained from electronically scanning the brain. So can these scientists really read your thoughts as they claim. Wel in a word, NO and anyone who tells you otherwise is having a laugh.

Save The African Clitoris
British Courts have started prosecuting the crime of Female Genital Mutilation, the barbaric practice popular in some African and middle eastern cultures of removing a woman's clitoris and labia at puberty. Meanwhile in Burkina Faso, western poverty millionaires have typically turned this barbaric practice into a monry making opportunity

One In Four Americans Don't Know The Earth Circles The Sun - Does It Matter?
When results of a survey suggested one in four American's does not know the earth orbits the sub, they Church of scientism Cult went into a frenzy about religion and ignorance. but does it really matter that much? OK, it's science but all the same it has little relevance to our daily lives. We examine the bigoted attitudes of the science fan club and their narrow mindedness.

Big Bang, The Cosmos, The Meaning Of Life And You
Scientists are claiming another breakthrough in our understanding of the uiverse. As usual they have found nothing, when science wanders into the territory of philosophy what is usually discovered (apart from being exactly whast the research project hoped to discover, is just a different subjective interpreatation of data to all the previous ones.

Venezuela Deals Blow to Banksters, Global Fascists and New World Order.
A few weeks ago we reported that a US sponsored campaign of civil unrest aimed at destabilising Venezuela was underr way as the latest target for US / New World Order colonisation was engulfed by riots. Unfortunately for the USA's Obama Administration and their globalist banker paymaters, Venezueal is proving just as tough a nut to crack as Ukraine, Syria, Egypt and Afghanistan.

Malaysia Airlines flight 370 Flown To Diego Garcia?
The days go by and there is still not sign of the mission Boeing 777 aircraft, Malaysia Airlines flight 370 which went disappeared without trace, along with all 200 plus passengers and the crew on a commercial flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing ten days ago. Mainstream news is offering only diversions and misdirections, but the Daily Stirrer is looking at the serious possibilities

Putin Could Win World War Three Without Firing A Shot.
Leaders of the USA and EU continue on their lunatic course of provoking confrontation with Russia, forgetting Russia's most powerful ally is China and with Iran onside and India, Brazil, Pakistan, most African nations and the oil producers of the middle east not having many reasons to love the west, it looks as if Obama, Cameron and Co. may have misread the situation ...

Ukraine Crisis: Putin Signs Treaty Making Crimea Part Of Russia - EU / US alliance Says Boo!
In spite of the west's sabre rattling, Russia continuers to ignore threats and Putin laughs at Obama's tough talk. So where does the crisis in Ukraine and The Crimea go next?

Modern Maths Teaching Is Making Children Mentally Ill
It is a well established fact that people who are good at mathematics are insane so why are we making such a big deal of abstract maths in proressive education when what most people will need to earn a living is a good command of basic arithmetic - which modern education is failing to give them.

The Crimea Referendum: tragedy or farce?
The world teeters on the edge of war as Obama continues to provoke Putin and the Russian leader coninues to flick V signs at Washington. Will Obama do something following the latest insult after he demanded that Russia drop it's support for a referendum in Crimea on independence from Ukraine was contemptuously ignored?

Agenda 21: Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property
Agenda 21 may not have gained much traction here in Europe yet but it is forging ahead with its agenda of seizing control of private property and abolishing individual freedom in the USA where the fascist excesses of The Emperor Obama and his tyrannical administration are at war with the people. Think I'm exaggerating? Fools...

As Crisis Deepens Ukraine Population Show They Still Have a Sense Of Humour
The US administration seem to be set on provoking Russia into war over Ukraine. It is probably the most idiotic episode in the career of the idiotic American rent Boy President Barack Hussein Obama. With China and Iran siding with Russia and Idia leaning in their direction while the European Union cannot push too hard while Russia controls the gas pipelines, the west can't win.

USA, Russia, Economic War Over Ukraine - an explainer
As economic war between the EU / USA and Russia lookes more likely than a shooting war between east and west over Ukraine, we look at the reasons why it has come to this and the likely consequences for our readers.

Transatlantic Trade And Investment Partnership Attacks Democracy
The fascist global government lobby is up to iut's tricks again, not content with trying to force the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) on Asian nations and only succeeding in driving those nations closer politically and economically to Russia and China, the neo Nazi New World Order is not trying the same trick to rob European nations of their sovereign powers and put the banking / corporate cartel above all national interests.

Google's Brave New World Of Artificial Intelligence - And The Destruction Humanity
Almost every day we hear scientists burbling about artificial intelligence and how very soon machines will be smarter than humans. As scientists are nowhere near as smart as humans its hard to see how science can build something smarter. The problem is of course we don't understand what contsitutes intelligence - those who think academic qualifications are the only indicator are retards. So where will this madness to replace us with machines end?

Missing Malaysian Aircraft: Crash Or Cover Up?
How can a modern aircraft equipped with sophisticated (and bomb proof) tracking and security technology which is designed to stay intact through a crash or in flight explosion and keep tramsmitting its location for up to 30 days after being separated from the aircraft, just vanish. Yet that is exactly what we are being asked to believe happened to a Malasia Airlines Boeing 777 en route to China. The deeper we delve, the murkier the story gets ... read on below

There Is A Global Conspiracy Says World Bank Insider
We have reported on many situations that make it obvious our political leaders are collaborating with bankers and global corporations towards, it appears, a global government. Is this conspiracy in the inteerests of we the punters? You can bet your life it isn't. So far however it has been hard to convince indoctrinated Marxists and people who believe singing Kumbaya will make things right, that big government is not our friend but our enemy.

Your Lupins Or Your Life! EU Bureaucrats To Ban Your Favourite Flowers
With a video clip of the Monty Python sketch the title refers to, this Boggart blog satire takes a wey look at new powers being sought by EU bureaucrats that will enable them to order non native garden plants and shrubs to be dug up and destroyed even though these species have been part of European gardens for centuries. Could there be a more sinister motive behind the move? We think so.

Paedo Loving Comrade Mr. Harperson In Trouble Again
There seems to be no end to Labour's paedophile link woes. Allegations continue to surface about the three senior MPs, Patricia Hewitt, Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey who while working for the national Council for Civil Liberties supported an equal rights for paedophiles group which wanted the age of sexual concent lowered to FOUR. Meanwhile new revelations have now implicated a senior judge. The corrupt elitists have no morals.

Former US Presidential nomination runner Dennis Kucinich says US instigated Ukraine Crisis
We told you so - and now a US politician who once ran for the democratic nomination in the Presidential election has confirmed it, the USA and Europe were behind the revolution in Ukraine exactly as they have been in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen, not to mention the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and as they were when The Balkans expoloded into war in the 1990s

E Bomb? Putin Has Obama Over A Fracking Barrel Again On Economic Sanctions.
While western media continue to provide immaculate body service to Barack Obama by swallowing all his shit, the US energy boom is falling short of expectations and Putin is still runnung rings round The Rent Boy President

The Science Fraud: Many Scientific Research Papers Are Pure Gobbledegook
The war between humanities and science goes on, both in academic faculties and internet comment threads. But in an environment that is increasingly politicised and influenced by corporate profit motives rather than the pure and unsullied pursuit of knowledge, can we trust either side? This article suggests not.


HAARP: Scientists Open Pandora's Box With Experiments In Changing The Climate
What do you think of the freak weather this year? Coincidence, climate change, solar activity or something more sinister. If you have heard the term HAARP chances are you're pretty sceptical about the official line. HAARP - the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program is a research programme that experiments with changing the earh's upper atmosphere. you don't have to understand much science to realise it proves that as John Lennon said the world is run by insane people.

Geoengineering exposed
Most of the discussion about geoengineering has centred on chemtrails, those persistent vapour trails left by jet aircraft which seem to hand around much longer and behave very differently to the condensation trails we have been seeing since jet aircraft became a regular features of the skies above us

Homosexuality: As a liberal society we have a duty to tolderate, not celebrate.
Even though the government has accepted a very limited definition of same sex marriage the gay lobby keeps raving on about the greates non issue of all time. But in a free society should we be subjected to bullying if we do not show enough enthusiasm for homosexual and lesbian relationships? When did indifference become a hate crime?

World On The Brink - USA And Russia Square Up In Ukraine
It looks like this might be the big one. With all America's plans to destabilise non supine nations in ruins as phase 2, the intstallation of a puppet government proved impossible, Obama who has already been bested by Putin several times cannot back down again. And this time the Russians have forced the crisis in their own backyard where the USA cannot possibly win. Interesting

Climate change and the unsinkable Pacific Islands
Idiots like Cameron and Obama are still swallowing the bullshit of climate science scammers by the shovelful and saying a slight increase in the average global temperature will pose an existential threat to humanity. but one by one the threats are being exposed as hype by research grant phishing scientists, just as the science of mathematical models is being shown to rely on fraudulent data.

Internet Trolls - Are They Contractors Paid To Suppress Open Discussion Of Sensitive Subjects?.
Everyone who likes to follow online debates on sensitive or controversial topics will have encountered trolls. but are these people really just angry and obsessive, excesssively self righteous individuals. Or is there anyting in the claims that they are employed by contractors to suppress open discussion and discredit points of view which do not support government or corporate interests.

Ukraine: Russia launches 'armed invasion' as Obama warns Moscow of 'costs' of intervention
The FUKUS axis - well mainly the US, France and the UK are just sockpuppets as any fule kno - look to have screwed up again. With proof having emerged that the USA and the EU are unrest in Ukraine, Russia has taken steps to safeguard eyjnic Russians in the country. Obama warned of 'consequences' if Russia intervened - Russia sent more troops

Facebook boss Zukerberg Wants To Own The Internet
Facebook's latest acquisition Whatsapp cost $19bn, that's $40 per user. Whatsapp charge their users $1 per year. That means it will take Facebook 40 years to recover their outlay. And people are buying shares in this company? Insane.

Pollution Could Save Us From Climate Change Disaster
As politicians become ever more hysterical and scientists become ever more crazy about climate change because less and less people believe them while more and more climate scaremongering is exposed as junk science or plain and simple fraud, if it really is necessary or desirable to cool the earth's atmosphere, then according to some chinese scientists, the answer is staring us in the face.

So You Think Control Of Media Is A Conspiracy Theory
A story I found on Zero Hedge concerns a factual article posted on the Financial Times website which was quickly removed and never appeared in print. Zero Hedge reproduce the article in full so I was able to verify its content. "Two days ago the FT released a clear, informative and fact-based article, titled simply enough "Gold price rigging fears put investors on alert" in which ..."

Geo - Engineering: The Science Isn't Settled

In another case of scientific dictatorship the American Government and the corporate cartel have invoked a Big Science scam to make $$$billions from geo engineering schemes 'to save the planet from climate change disaster'. The science is settled they tell us. Unfortunately once again it isn't. Geoengineering could have ‘catastrophic consequences’: Schemes to control climate change could backfire, a large group of concerned and influential scientists have warned.

Labour, The Party Of The Rich, Well - Connected, Elitist, Paedophile People
Labours paedophile agony goes on. Put on the reack by The Daily Mail over the involvement of three senior MPs with paedophile equal rights group PIE, the response was to deny the allegations. Unfortunately evert time harriet Harman, Jack Dromey or Patricia Hewitt deny something, The Mail produce documents to suppport their story.

Can Washington Change Three regimes At Once The FUKUS axis - let's be honest, the Obama Administration in the USA, France and the UK are just sockpuppets, may have bitten off more than they can chew in trying to deliveer regime change in three nations at one to satisfy their paymasters the global bankers. The log jam has developed because of the failure to remove assad in Syria and the resolute support of Russia, China and Iran for their ally.

Transhumanism - What The Elite And Their Science Whores Have Planned For You
Transhumanism, the creation of - or turning us into - part human, part machine cyborgs is generating a lot of discussion and a lot of spontaneous ejaculations in the scientific community as they contemplate having their brains replaced by a computer. There are no limits on the ambitions of scientists fantasies, they even envisage creating robots that can interbreed with us, but how much is realistic?