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Has The Fanaticism Of Militant Athreists Stigmatized Atheism Again

by Ian R Thorpe.

Not long ago, even though the nation had largely abandoned churchgoing, to describe oneself as an atheist carried a certain stigma. In the nineteen eighties and nineties that receded however as regular worshippers in Britain comprised just 6% of the population. Now however, thanks to militant atheism, the stigma is on the way back.

Has The Fanaticism Of Militant Athreists Has Stigmatized Atheism Again

by Ian R Thorpe 21 January 2012
A long time ago I had a hospital appointment to have a small cyst on my leg removed and duly reported to the out - patients reception.Naturally, the National Health Sertvice being a government run bureaucracy there were forms to fill in. Name, age, gender ( FFS ) questions about ongoing health problems, allergies, was I on any medication and the details of my next of kin were rattled of by a rat faced little clerk who wore cheap trousers and a very dodgy shirt. The final question was about my religion. "Don't want one", I said, I said, "Well I have to put something down, shall I put Church of England," said Rat Face.

"No, I'm not Church of England,"

"Christian?" The question was hopeful rather than expectant. Obviously this problem had arisen before.

"No, nothing, put none or not applicable." The clerk was nonplussed. "You're umm ... ah ... a woss'name an atheist, then? Shall I put atheist?"

"No, atheist is not a religion, Just put down 'none', or 'no religion'," I said.(This is before The Church of Scienceology was founded and claimed all non believers for it's congregation, even those as sceptical about science as they are about God.

The man who was given authority by his clipboard pronounced the word atheist with scorn as if an atheist was some kind of inferior being but he could not see that one might not be an atheist but simultaneously not a member of any religion. Because most people of my generation were baptised in the Church of England, Methodist, Presbyterian or Catholic faith the easy way out was to stick with that even if baptism was the last time a person had been to church. Atheists were stigmaitsed as outsiders, people who had made a conscious choice to stand outside the mainstream.

I have never liked the term atheist. It may have been Jonathan Miller's argument that non-belief in God is a narrow and entirely negative self-description that ignores all the other things you might either believe in or not, from homeopathy through necromancy to the Gaia theory. As a non believer I am sceptical about many things, not just the God of Abraham. But I am not dismissive of many things, if I wanted to be an atheist I would be a polytheistic atheist and not believe in thousands of gods; in fact I am not sceptical about Hindu and Pagan gods because both those systems have an entirely different concept of the divine that does not require followers to externalise and anthropomorphise divinities and such god are non interventionist.

Atheist is an inadequate guide to the to our spirituality. We have available far more eloquent ways of expressing in a word or phrase the moral compass that guides our behaviour and beliefs.

After a prolonged discussion which made me late for my appointment, rat face only relented when a nurse came from the surgery to see had I arrived. When the situation was explained she told tatty-trousers that stating a religion was not a priority day patients and dragged me away.

Years later the social atmosphere had changed. During a much longer stay in hospital I was visited by the ward chaplain. He hovered outside my room and coughed nervously to attract my attention before knocking and being invited in. He looked around as if checking for booby traps.

Was there a note on my record; "homicidally deranged atheist, approach with care."

But no, after he introduced himself and being invited to sit down and pour himself a glass of Apple and Mango juice. I told him I was not religious and we had a good chat about life, the state of the nation, hospital food and the books on my bedside cabinet, several of which he had read ... and of course my lack of religion as opposed to atheism.

After about half an hour he took his leave, shaking my hand and thanking me for talking. "You know", he said, "so many people put down "Church of England" but will not even talk to me. It's as if they are ashamed to say they have no religion. You have clearly thought deeply about things so it has been a pleasure to met someone who has a well formed idea of who he is."

I'd never thought of it like that.

Another day I was in the common rooms when a Catholic priest came in, he went to each inmate the duty nurse had identified as Catholic and had an identical conversation with each "How are you feeling? I don't want to disturb you when you're needing rest. It's good that you're feeling more your old self, so the nurses tell me. I'll be off now and leave you to your tea, they'll be round in a few minutes.

That was more or less what he said to each man. They nodded in return, and then the priest backed away.

Of all the people who came near our beds in any official capacity, the clergy were the most deferential and anxious not to intrude. What you might call the carer-patient discourse in a British hospital is conducted in a tone of ribald familiarity. You hear all kinds of surprising things, a buxom Lancashire lass will put her arm around an elderly Muslim and tell him to "Cough it up, Abdul love, it's better out than in." An equally young woman doctor, a specialist endocrinologist, of high caste and good Indian parentage once asked me as almost the first question if I had any problems getting an erection.

"I've ben more dead than alive for the past few months, it isn't really sometrhing I've thought about." I replied not wanting to tell her my red haired physiotherapist, while standing with her thighs wraped round my left leg as she firmly pushed my shoulder upwards. The physio told me she was trying to get elongation in my deltoids. She was getting elongation lower down. The doctor, Vikki, said "Do you get the morning glory, that would prove everything was in working order".She might have stepped out of a 1960 low budget comedy film, Carry On Nurse or something. Priests and vicars seemed to have no clue about how to introduce their speciality, the most embarrassing topic of all. God.

The unit I was doing rehab in did not just take stroke survivors. We had all sorts including many people whose problems had been caused in part at least by smoking. After the unit's smoking ban was raised as a human rights issure (before I was there, the nurses told me,) a conservatory had ben built for use as a smoking room.

Most of the emphysema, thrombosis and generally gummed up lungs and arteries people's breathing sounded like a battered old accordion tuning up. Even so, right after breakfast they would disappear en masse to the conservatory where they could light up. And these were people who needed to have a bottle of oxygen fixed to their wheelchairs and spent a couple of hours a day on nebulizers.

"You've just got to co-operate and stop smoking, otherwise you're going to be in hospital until you die," I overheard the consultant telling one man. It is a prognosis nobody who has tasted hospital food wants to hear. They guy whose lungs were failing faster than a dunk on a driving test told his fellow patients however, " (wheeeeeze)All that being told not to smoke (cough cough) just make me smoke more (gasp, wheeze): It's the stress you see, they gets me all wound up."

There was an idea among the smokers that the hospital was paid for everyone they persuaded to stop smoking." They may have ben right, we have not dug down to anything like the bottom of the Labour government's dodgy dealing with big pharma yet.

The fact is the hospital was rewarded for survival rates so their incentive was to get people discharged in a state that would allow them to survive three months. Statistically this was a successful outcome for the hospital . What hospital managers, staff, polticians and academics seem unable to understand however is that people are not afraid of death. Surviving a few extra months is not seen as a goal worth giving up a pleasure or addiction for. And if anyone tries to play the God card to scare committed smokers they will be told if God had not wanted us to smoke he would not have given us tobacco.

It is ironic that the non believers like me and the never-thought-about-it types like that old smoker are far more open minded about religion than the science worshipping militant atheists who lay claim to open mindedness but are really as tunnel visioned as the most fanatical religious fundamentalist. The non academic, non religious mass tend to be far more existentialist in their outlook than the so called rationalists. While the science fans try to find the meaning of life, explain the workings of the universe and conquer death the truly enlightened know that we all make our choices and must live with the consequences, what will happen will happen and in the end there is only one outcome which neither prayer nor science will change. The attitude of those working class fellow patients is that God will do as he pleases if indeed there is a God and a judgement. And though they have never heard of Pascal's wager they know that there is nothing to be gained by declaring for atheism and always the chance the atheists are wrong. So when life ceases to be of any value to them there is no point giving up the few pleasures they have left to delay an inevitable event they do not fear or dread.

The truly strange thing is while the monomaniacal rambling of writers like Dawkins, Dennett and Hitchens have established cult like followings among the younger professional classes, the university educated rationalist intellectual bullies who call themselves "progressive liberals" they have made the bulk of the population regard atheists as shrill, illiberal anti - religionism. A large part of this is due to the abandonment of the renaissance education in favour of a "scientific" education that demands specialisation at far too early a stage. My generation were equipped to examine the opposing cases and form our own opinions. Today's science infatuated "secular humanists" seem only able to repeat the dogmas handed down to them by the hierarchy of the academic priesthood. This has marked them as intolerant, self righteous and blinkered, they are not prepared to entertain any ideas that fall outside the narrow scope of "scientific thinking."

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The War Between Science and Religion When cosmologist Martin Rees was awarded the Templeton Prize for scientific work enhancing the spiritual side of life the militant atheists reacted with predicatable angry intolderance. Their intolerant attitude seems to have done more to harm the scientific community than to turn paople against faith and religion.

Are The Cultural Poles FlippingReligion and Science (which some people have turned into their religion) have failed to provide the certainties, the sense of security, that many people seek. First religious convicion was eroded by science and then faith in science collapsed when it's certainties dod not stand up to the logical tests of the real world. Can existentialims offer a third way or is its acceptance of uncertainty to challenging?

The Flight From FreedomFleeing from freedom seems like a contradiction, after all we usually asdsiciate flight with escaping from captivity. In this first part of Existentialism for Beginners however the author identifies a human instinct that predisposes us to seek illusory safety by conforming and being part of the crowd rather than embarking on the lonely life of the free thinker, the person who truly makes their own decisions and follows their own path.
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There have been concerns recently among mainstream atheists, non-theists and non specific non belieers that while we can get along with people who make religion a part of their lives for whatever reason, the mititant type of atheism being promoted by a clique consisting mostly of London based media type and academics in the sciences is attacking that mutual tolerance that has existed between followers of moderate faiths and people who choose to reject faith. An example of the way these atheists are trying to turn non-belief into a religion is summed up in their decision to put advertisments on London buses stating "There is probable no God, now stop worrying and enjoy your lives. The idiotic arrogance of the assumptions behind that line are gobsmacking.

Our Debt To Islam

In the dark ages the light of wisdom was almost extinguished in Europe and North Africa by the religious fanaticism of Christians. Read how the scientific knowledge accumulated by ancient civilisations in India, the Middle East and around the Mediterranean Sea was kept alive in the Islamic world and retransmiited to Europe through the independence of Christian monastic orders.

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A NEW species of human – the Homo Naledi has been discovered in a cave in South Africa, an international team of scientists have confirmed. The new species was discovered 50 kilometers northwest of Johannesburg, South Africa and is being hailed as the ‘find of the century” by scientists.

Big Data and The Surveillance Society
We kill people based on metadata. – Gen. Michael Hayden, former head of the NSA and CIA. Bene vixit, bene qui latuit. (To live well is to live concealed) - – Ovid (43 BC - 18 AD)The most sacred thing is to be able to shut your own door. – G.K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936). I don't know why people are so keen to put the details of their private lives in public; they forget that invisibility is a superpower. – Banksy (2006)

Migrant ‘Rebellion’Against Hungarian Law As U.N. Warns Of Millions More Refugees
It was clear from long before Barack Hussein Obama was elected as US President in 2008 that under his administration, the USA would decare war on civilisation. The man told us so, he spelled it out for the idiots who voted for him that he hated America, white people and European civilisation. Well he kept those promises at least.

Big Data and The Surveillance Society
We kill people based on metadata. – Gen. Michael Hayden, former head of the NSA and CIA. Bene vixit, bene qui latuit. (To live well is to live concealed) - – Ovid (43 BC - 18 AD)The most sacred thing is to be able to shut your own door. – G.K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936). I don't know why people are so keen to put the details of their private lives in public; they forget that invisibility is a superpower. – Banksy (2006)

Oil Rich Nations Treat Their Fellow Muslims as Second Class Citizens And Europe is Left Picking up the Pieces
As the migrant tide continues to flow unabated and the more plain speaking european leaders start to talk of twenty million more migrants intending to enter the EU illegally, we ask why the wealthy Arab nations of the middle east are not taking any on the mostly Muslim migrants but instead trying to guilt trip Europe into accepting them all.

Syrian Girl's Video exposes western Politicians and Media Lies About Refugees
This girl makes more sense than Obama, Cameron, Hollande, Merkel and all other western criminals and corporate hirelings put together, Maybe one day they will realize that their subservience to zionism only leads ruin of their individual characters!

UK's First GM crops enriched with nutrients ready for harvest
With public opinion and a significant (but ignored by mainstream media strongly opposed to the introduction of Genetically Modified foods one would think that politicians, having lost the trust of voters, might hold back on this one. But no, as usual they are sidelining the public interest and ignoring public opinion in order to push the interests of the corporate cronies.

Russia Warns Washington Of "Unintended Incidents" In Syria
Yesterday, Thursday evening our news feeds picked up the latest development in the soap opera that is the Obama administrations waggering effor to make Russia back down from is's stance of supporting Assad and let the rent - boy President satisfy his bloodlust in bringing Syria’s horrific civil war with bombs and drone strike on Syrian civilians

Roads, Railways And Ferries Closed As Illegal Migrant Flood Overwhelms Europe's Transport Systems
As the tide of illegal immigrants trying to enter those E U nations offering the most generous cash, housing and medical care benefit packages swells daily, we bring news of another European nation that is comung to its senses. Soon only Germany and Sweden will be left on the road to national suicide. The Swedes are such politically correct wimps they'd surrender if someone dropped a smelly fart in Stockholm, as for Germany - TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP!

Is Europe Doomed to Burn in Hell as Gadaffi Promised?
Back in 2011, blogger Little Nicky Machiavelli reported that Libya leader Muammar 'Mad Dog" Gadaffi, under seige during the FUKUS axis bombing campaign against his regime, warned that he would unleash a wave of migrants that would turn Europe to hell. A few days later Mad Dog was killed, but events since then tell us he carried out his threat as illegal ecomonic migrants from Africa are swamping the infrastructure of European nations.

Backslider Cameron Pays £1.7 billion He Promised He Would Not Pay
Remember about this time last year, the EU demanded the UK pay an additional £1.7 billion to the Euronazi project, to prop up the Euro single currency system after the debacle of Greece's economic collapse and ensure the Bankers and Corporate businesses did not lose a penny on their bad loans to the Greek government because the whole debt could be transferred to British, German, Dutch and Austrian taxpayers (all the other EU member states are effectively bankrupt).

Angry Mobs Torch Kurdish Businesses As Turkey Descends Into Chaos
History is full of national leaders turning on minorities in their own country with the west's tacit approval. Nothing about the way the Syrian tragedy has played out should surprise us then except that when the leaders of NATO's main powers, the The FUKUS axis wanted a war in Syria, the Syrian leader Assad found new best friends in Russia, China and Iran. Their opposition was enough to make France and the UK think twice about deposing Assad by force ...

MEP In Merkel Mask Mocks Juncker
An Italian MEP in a ~Merkel mask mocked the pusillanimous poltroon posing as President of the EU commission in Stasbourg yesterday as the Luxembourgischer nonentity Jean Claude Juncker (aka J-C Drunkard) lectured representatives of the sovereign nations that make up the European Union on what their elected government's policies should be.

Hungary Seals Borders As Migrant Flow Increases
The illegal immigrant crisis seems to be coming to a head; in Germany there is civil urest in areas where Volksfuhrer Haulsfrau Merkel has shoehorned large numbers of hostile Muslims into areas with high unemployment. In Britain Prime Minister Cameron faces a rebellion from members of his own party. In France, Sweden and Italy anti - immigration parties are ahead in opinion polls, but it is Hungary and Slovakia that lead the resistance to the EUronazis genocide of white Europeans project.

State Department Warns Russia not to Support Syrian Government Kerry says defense of country will “risk confrontation” with US-Saudi supported jihadi terrorists. The anti-ISIL or ISIS forces in Syria fighting to overthrow the Syrian government are virtually all jihadi extremists who have called for the establishment of a Sunni Wahhabist caliphate in the country.

If You Want To Help Refugees Stop Helping To Kill Them
As The Daily Stirrer predicted, the tide of illegal entrants streaming through Europe's porous southern and eastern borders is increasing. Italy, Greece and Hungary now have major problems and even non EU states in the Balkans are affected. This crisis will not be resolved until the EU leaders politically correct OCD is replaced and we resolve the Merkels, Camerons and Hollandes with people of resolve who will stand up to American bullying.

China’s Covert War with America Heats Up: Warships near Alaska, Another Industrial Explosion, and China Unveils Cruise Missile That Renders U.S. Carriers Obsolete
Two weeks ago, [The Daily Sheeple] ran an exclusive Natural News story announcing that a covert war between China and the USA had begun. The war started as a currency and debt war, then escalated into the catastrophic Tianjin explosion carried out by the U.S. Pentagon in a “kinetic retaliation” strategy, according to sources. It wasn’t long after the Tianjin explosion that a second explosion rocked the Chinese province of Shandong, sending “coincidence theorists” into a hissy fit because suddenly a pattern of explosions was emerging that could not simply be explained away as sheer chance.

USA To Blame For Europe's Migrant Crisis Says Putin
Appearing at the inaugural Moscow-hosted Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, the Russian President has blamed the migrant crisis emanating from the Middle East on America. He also blamed European states for backing US efforts to spread democracy, which he said were responsible for the current exodus of people sweeping across the EU.

German Government Evict Poor Germans From Their Homes For Migrant Asylum Seekers
This is a digitally captured video of a news report on Federal German government plans to evict low income and unemployed German citizens from their homes and replace them with Middle Eastern 'asylum seekers' (handout seekers). This news story was first broadcast on a German Left-leaning TV station on August 28, 2015. It's original title: The most poor of the poor have to vacate their homes for asylum seekers.

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