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Has The Fanaticism Of Militant Athreists Stigmatized Atheism Again


by Ian R Thorpe.

Not long ago, even though the nation had largely abandoned churchgoing, to describe oneself as an atheist carried a certain stigma. In the nineteen eighties and nineties that receded however as regular worshippers in Britain comprised just 6% of the population. Now however, thanks to militant atheism, the stigma is on the way back.

Has The Fanaticism Of Militant Athreists Has Stigmatized Atheism Again

by Ian R Thorpe 21 January 2012
A long time ago I had a hospital appointment to have a small cyst on my leg removed and duly reported to the out - patients reception.Naturally, the National Health Sertvice being a government run bureaucracy there were forms to fill in. Name, age, gender ( FFS ) questions about ongoing health problems, allergies, was I on any medication and the details of my next of kin were rattled of by a rat faced little clerk who wore cheap trousers and a very dodgy shirt. The final question was about my religion. "Don't want one", I said, I said, "Well I have to put something down, shall I put Church of England," said Rat Face.

"No, I'm not Church of England,"

"Christian?" The question was hopeful rather than expectant. Obviously this problem had arisen before.

"No, nothing, put none or not applicable." The clerk was nonplussed. "You're umm ... ah ... a woss'name an atheist, then? Shall I put atheist?"

"No, atheist is not a religion, Just put down 'none', or 'no religion'," I said.(This is before The Church of Scienceology was founded and claimed all non believers for it's congregation, even those as sceptical about science as they are about God.

The man who was given authority by his clipboard pronounced the word atheist with scorn as if an atheist was some kind of inferior being but he could not see that one might not be an atheist but simultaneously not a member of any religion. Because most people of my generation were baptised in the Church of England, Methodist, Presbyterian or Catholic faith the easy way out was to stick with that even if baptism was the last time a person had been to church. Atheists were stigmaitsed as outsiders, people who had made a conscious choice to stand outside the mainstream.

I have never liked the term atheist. It may have been Jonathan Miller's argument that non-belief in God is a narrow and entirely negative self-description that ignores all the other things you might either believe in or not, from homeopathy through necromancy to the Gaia theory. As a non believer I am sceptical about many things, not just the God of Abraham. But I am not dismissive of many things, if I wanted to be an atheist I would be a polytheistic atheist and not believe in thousands of gods; in fact I am not sceptical about Hindu and Pagan gods because both those systems have an entirely different concept of the divine that does not require followers to externalise and anthropomorphise divinities and such god are non interventionist.

Atheist is an inadequate guide to the to our spirituality. We have available far more eloquent ways of expressing in a word or phrase the moral compass that guides our behaviour and beliefs.

After a prolonged discussion which made me late for my appointment, rat face only relented when a nurse came from the surgery to see had I arrived. When the situation was explained she told tatty-trousers that stating a religion was not a priority day patients and dragged me away.

Years later the social atmosphere had changed. During a much longer stay in hospital I was visited by the ward chaplain. He hovered outside my room and coughed nervously to attract my attention before knocking and being invited in. He looked around as if checking for booby traps.

Was there a note on my record; "homicidally deranged atheist, approach with care."

But no, after he introduced himself and being invited to sit down and pour himself a glass of Apple and Mango juice. I told him I was not religious and we had a good chat about life, the state of the nation, hospital food and the books on my bedside cabinet, several of which he had read ... and of course my lack of religion as opposed to atheism.

After about half an hour he took his leave, shaking my hand and thanking me for talking. "You know", he said, "so many people put down "Church of England" but will not even talk to me. It's as if they are ashamed to say they have no religion. You have clearly thought deeply about things so it has been a pleasure to met someone who has a well formed idea of who he is."

I'd never thought of it like that.

Another day I was in the common rooms when a Catholic priest came in, he went to each inmate the duty nurse had identified as Catholic and had an identical conversation with each "How are you feeling? I don't want to disturb you when you're needing rest. It's good that you're feeling more your old self, so the nurses tell me. I'll be off now and leave you to your tea, they'll be round in a few minutes.

That was more or less what he said to each man. They nodded in return, and then the priest backed away.

Of all the people who came near our beds in any official capacity, the clergy were the most deferential and anxious not to intrude. What you might call the carer-patient discourse in a British hospital is conducted in a tone of ribald familiarity. You hear all kinds of surprising things, a buxom Lancashire lass will put her arm around an elderly Muslim and tell him to "Cough it up, Abdul love, it's better out than in." An equally young woman doctor, a specialist endocrinologist, of high caste and good Indian parentage once asked me as almost the first question if I had any problems getting an erection.

"I've ben more dead than alive for the past few months, it isn't really sometrhing I've thought about." I replied not wanting to tell her my red haired physiotherapist, while standing with her thighs wraped round my left leg as she firmly pushed my shoulder upwards. The physio told me she was trying to get elongation in my deltoids. She was getting elongation lower down. The doctor, Vikki, said "Do you get the morning glory, that would prove everything was in working order".She might have stepped out of a 1960 low budget comedy film, Carry On Nurse or something. Priests and vicars seemed to have no clue about how to introduce their speciality, the most embarrassing topic of all. God.

The unit I was doing rehab in did not just take stroke survivors. We had all sorts including many people whose problems had been caused in part at least by smoking. After the unit's smoking ban was raised as a human rights issure (before I was there, the nurses told me,) a conservatory had ben built for use as a smoking room.

Most of the emphysema, thrombosis and generally gummed up lungs and arteries people's breathing sounded like a battered old accordion tuning up. Even so, right after breakfast they would disappear en masse to the conservatory where they could light up. And these were people who needed to have a bottle of oxygen fixed to their wheelchairs and spent a couple of hours a day on nebulizers.

"You've just got to co-operate and stop smoking, otherwise you're going to be in hospital until you die," I overheard the consultant telling one man. It is a prognosis nobody who has tasted hospital food wants to hear. They guy whose lungs were failing faster than a dunk on a driving test told his fellow patients however, " (wheeeeeze)All that being told not to smoke (cough cough) just make me smoke more (gasp, wheeze): It's the stress you see, they gets me all wound up."

There was an idea among the smokers that the hospital was paid for everyone they persuaded to stop smoking." They may have ben right, we have not dug down to anything like the bottom of the Labour government's dodgy dealing with big pharma yet.

The fact is the hospital was rewarded for survival rates so their incentive was to get people discharged in a state that would allow them to survive three months. Statistically this was a successful outcome for the hospital . What hospital managers, staff, polticians and academics seem unable to understand however is that people are not afraid of death. Surviving a few extra months is not seen as a goal worth giving up a pleasure or addiction for. And if anyone tries to play the God card to scare committed smokers they will be told if God had not wanted us to smoke he would not have given us tobacco.

It is ironic that the non believers like me and the never-thought-about-it types like that old smoker are far more open minded about religion than the science worshipping militant atheists who lay claim to open mindedness but are really as tunnel visioned as the most fanatical religious fundamentalist. The non academic, non religious mass tend to be far more existentialist in their outlook than the so called rationalists. While the science fans try to find the meaning of life, explain the workings of the universe and conquer death the truly enlightened know that we all make our choices and must live with the consequences, what will happen will happen and in the end there is only one outcome which neither prayer nor science will change. The attitude of those working class fellow patients is that God will do as he pleases if indeed there is a God and a judgement. And though they have never heard of Pascal's wager they know that there is nothing to be gained by declaring for atheism and always the chance the atheists are wrong. So when life ceases to be of any value to them there is no point giving up the few pleasures they have left to delay an inevitable event they do not fear or dread.

The truly strange thing is while the monomaniacal rambling of writers like Dawkins, Dennett and Hitchens have established cult like followings among the younger professional classes, the university educated rationalist intellectual bullies who call themselves "progressive liberals" they have made the bulk of the population regard atheists as shrill, illiberal anti - religionism. A large part of this is due to the abandonment of the renaissance education in favour of a "scientific" education that demands specialisation at far too early a stage. My generation were equipped to examine the opposing cases and form our own opinions. Today's science infatuated "secular humanists" seem only able to repeat the dogmas handed down to them by the hierarchy of the academic priesthood. This has marked them as intolerant, self righteous and blinkered, they are not prepared to entertain any ideas that fall outside the narrow scope of "scientific thinking."

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Pressure mounted on Tony Blair tonight to answer questions over the Mirror’s revelations that a child sex abuse probe was axed after a minister in his government was named as a suspect. MPs joined forces with a victim of abuse to call on the former Prime Minister to reveal if he knew about the alleged cover up or of any allegations against the politician.

Multi-Cultural England: Are You Feeling The Progressive Diversity That's Enriching Your Life Visit some parts of most British cities with large immigrant populations and you will be hard pressed to recognize it, certainly my granparents would struggle to recognize the towns they knew. Appeasement of foreigners has destroyed the character of our communities but as usual the political left advise solving the problem by doing over again the things that caused it.

Europe is waking up to the threat of globalism and the Transatlantic Partnership
Massive protests in Europe, an issue that unites the bitterly hostile right and left wing politiucal factions in the USA, the Trans Altantic Trade And Investment Partnership (TTIP) must be something quite special. The Daily Stirrer believes it is a corporate power grab, a bid to transfer the lawmaking systems of sovereign nations to bureucrats and corporate lawyers. Learn more below ...

Labour Scourge Of Tax Avoiders Is A Tax Dodger? WTF is going on?
We have often made points about the hypocroisy of the left, particularly those lefties, but surely Margaret Hodge (nee Oppenheim - the diamond people) is the undisputed champ of left wing hypocrites. As a senior Labour MP Margaret was always eager to condemn tax avoidance. Unfortunately like most self righteous Labour millionaires she did not practice what she preached.

The Immigration Problem (part 1)
As Britain, its voters divided between pragmatism and politically correct thinking, heads for political chaos in an election likely to produce and inconclusive result, the big issue that none of the established parties want to talk about looks set to dominate the political debate through the next government's term in office.

The Baltimore Riots: The Verdict Of Baseball Team The Orioles Owner's Son
In the wake of violent protests that left eastern USA port city Baltimore in flames and were triggered by the funeral of Freddie Gray who died after sustaining a spinal injury while being taken into policy custody, American politicians and media commentators are struggling to explain to the public how the events of Monday evening could happen in twenty - first century America.

Labour's NHS Privatization By Stealth PFI Deals Are Killing Hospital Patients
It is really gobsmacking to see every day, Labour supporters blaiming the Conservatives and Lib Dems for the NHS cisis and accusing UKIP of wanting to privatize the NHS,, when in reality UKIP, the only party whose leaders have real world business experience, are the only party that can or even wish to save the NHS. Get wise to LabLibCon corporate piracy.

Massive Protests In Europe Against TTIP - Mainstream Media Blackout
If you read us here, at Boggart Blog or The Daily Stirrer, or is you are among the growing number of people who turn to alternative media to find out what's really going on in the world, you are most likely aware of the 'free' trade deals, TTIP, TISA, and TPP being negotiated in secret, behind closed doors.

How To Help The Poor - A look at how mainstream politics talks of fairness but penalises poverty
All three mainstream parties in the May 2015 General Election are focusing, as they did last time, on fairness, equality and helping 'the poor'. As their senior spokesmen piously pontificate there will be no trace of irony from either Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democrat while the spout such bollocks, even though they know their economic policies will penalise the poor.

SNP: Scottish Nazi Party?
Do you really want a bunch of creepy authoritarians like this pulling Ed Miliband's strings in a Labour - SNP power sharing deal?

I've been trying to warn you for years but would you tech heads and science heads listen?
A facebook friend, Mary Bladley McCaulay writes: Now I know for sure Google earth is following me. Went to the Dentist in Mufreesboro this AM. When I got back to my sons house and got online with my Kindle, first thing I saw was a Dental ad.

PayPal Asserts Copyright Ownership Over All Intellectual Property of its Users
The update comes in the aftermath of the announcement that eBay and PayPalwill split apartinto two separate companies. Under the heading “Intellectual Property,” PayPal announcesthat it is introducing a new paragraph to its agreement, effective July 1, 2015, that will allow the company to “use content that you post for publication using the Services”.

Poldark female star: Obsession with topless Aidan Turner is 'sexist and undermines the show'
The latest outburst has come in response to a few tabloid stories of actor Aidan Turner's 'topless' appearances in the BBC television series Poldark. The screeching sisters can't really complain about male chauvinism as it is women who are lusting for Ross Poldark. So the ladies (?) are upset because they can't go topless too.

BBC scandal – Breast beating, politically correct broadcaster has links to gangters, banksters and the arms trade As news leaks out from the inner sanctums of the BBC about cronyism and corruption in the corporations management structure, people are starting to wonder if the Clarkson fiasco was engineered to deflect attention from the way the BBC has been infiltrated by corporate business, and the linked issue of political bias in its news coverage of the election campaign.

After TTIP Signed, Corporate Sovereignty Will Trump National Laws
News on the anti democracy, anti - sovereignty, corporate friendly TTIP and its sibling TPP, TISA, TAFTA and other treaties that change the meaning of the phrase 'free trade' to mean corporate businesses are free to do as they like without having to consider tedious civil rights, environmental protection and consumer protection laws.

Who Granted The GMO Evangelists The Monopoly On Compassion?

According to the warped world view of pro-GMO individual Paul Evans, who appears to be associated with the ‘allow golden rice’ website and the ‘Galileo Movement’. I happened to respond by raising some of the issues set out below in the hope of having some kind of informed, reasonable debate. With hindsight, there was little chance of that happening.

California’s Mandatory Vaccinations Bill: Big Pharma Lobbyists Call the Shots, Community Opposition Ignored After the historic outpouring of families to halt the passing of SB-277 last Wednesday in California, information has now been made public to further put into question the bill’s credibility. After passing the Sacramento Health Committee vote, the bill was delayed as committee chair Senator Carol Liu wisely told the bill’s author Richard Pan “If I were you, I would not take a vote today.”

Could Corrupt EU-US 'Free Trade' Deal Be Extended To Israel?
There are many reasons to oppose the planned Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), not least because references to 'free' in the text of leaked drafts does not refer to freedom in any conventional sense but to giving global corporations the ability to operate outside the jurisdiction of sovereign governments and override national law.

The Mediterranean Boat People Crisis - How Does Europe Deal With The Mediterranean Migrant Crisis
The numbers of migrants trying to cross from the Libya on the coast of north Africa to one of the EU's southern nations is increasing. Europe's impoverished southern nations can't cope. And in the better off nations of northern Europe immigration is a toxic issue which is fuelling the rise of anti EU parties from France to Finnland in the north and Hungary in the east. What can be done?

It Starts At The Finnish
Conservative, Euro-sceptic party True Finns (PS) have come second in a national election in Finland. They may now be asked to join a ruling coalition with the liberal, anti EU Centrist Party which knocked pro-Europe, pro-federalisation conservative party off the top spot.

If Sturgeon Is Jerking Miliband's Strings, Who Will Be Prime Minister
Since the second division leaders' debate last week, The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon has been leading the news every day. With Labour facing wipeout by the nationalists in Scotland, the possibility of a Labour / SNP coalition along the lines of the Conservative / Lib Dem coalition that has governed since 2010 has become the obsession of the media.

Leaked EU - TTIP document: Destruction of Democracy planned
A new leaked European Commission proposal which if implemented would form part of the EU-US Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) treaty currently being negotiated in secret between Brussels and Washington, EU member state legislative proposals will be subjected to vetting by corporate lawyers for potential impacts on private business interests first.

Self-Loathing Sweden Should Only Welcome Persecuted Immigrants, Instead They Invite The Persecutors Too.
We have covered immigration problems in Europe extensively, but the European country that demonstrates how wide the gap between ordinary people and the ruling eilte has become is Sweden where the politically correct governing coalition's immigration and social policies seem to indicate the elite are engaged in a genocide campaign against ethnic Swedes

The Greek "White Knight" Emerges: Putin To Give Athens €5 Billion For Advance Gas Pipeline Fees

With Greece teetering on the edge of insolvency and forced to raid pension and most other public funds, ahead of another month of heavy IMF repayments which has prompted even the ECB to speculate Greece should introduce a parallel "IOU" currency, a white knight has appeared out of nowhere for Greece,

The Public Interest to Protect Powerful Paedophiles
The Director of Public Prosecutions has decided that it would not be in the public interest to prosecute serial paedophile Greville Janner, for many years the leader of the Zionist lobby in the UK. I presume that his convenient senility is the reason for non-prosecution ...

Reasons Why This Pagan Will Not Vote Labour, Conservative Or Liberal Democrat.
As we prepare to vote in a General Election that we are told will change British Politucs forever, Ian looks at a choice of three main parties that basically offer the same set of globalist, multiculturalist policies and consideres which way a pagan should vote.

The Truth - Labour Privatized The NHS between 1997 and 2010, Now Their Toxic Policies Are Bankrupting It
In the run up to the 2015 UK General Election, and without doubt beyond, one of the great political controversies will focus on the future of the national Health Service (NHS). While most voters consider The Conservatives to be the party of private profit and thus consider Labour a better choice to look after the NHS, Labour has in fact done more, and more damagingly, to privateize health services

NHS executives 'earn £35 million in pay rises' despite funding crisis
While Labour, Lib Dem and Green politicians accused the Conservatives of starving the NHS of cash,and as many Hospital Trusts faced financial problems and having to cut back on standards of care given to patients, we are learning that NHS bosses awarded themselves over £35 million in pay rises during the worst financial year in the history of the service.

Germany Needs A Revolution, Anti-Islam Campaigner Tells PEGIDA Supporters in Dresden
Dresden, Germany heard controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders address them last night, as the group rebuilds momentum ground after weathering vicious and untrue attacks from German mainstream media, and physical violence from the usual left wing rent-a-mob thugs who always turn out to deny the right of free speech to those who opposed their views.

Anti-Science – The Church Of Scienceology's Latest Pejorative Term For People Who Think And Question.
We are not the only web site to take exception to accusations of being anti - science and all the other pejorative terms used by the Church Of Scienceology disciples to deflect criticism from independent minded people who are smart anough to ask Cui Bono? Which corporate business benefits.

Corporate Capitalism Has Replaced Democracy In Western Nations.
Although this is about the UK General Election in 2015 it has much wider relevance, concerning what is happening in the democratic societies of the developed nation. For that reason this look at how corporate capitalism is usurping democracy and individual freedom will also be relevant long after that election in May 2025.

World War Three? Kiev Reinvades Donbass, Deliberate Provocation Trashed Minsk Agreement
When America wants to provoke Russia it uses proxies, a rabble in Libya, Islamic fundamentalists in Syria and Iraq and neo - Nazi thugs in Ukraine. So far Russia has resisted the urge to kick Obama in the balls, but sooner or later the Russia - China - Iran alliance will respond.

Who Runs America? US Federal Trade Commission Takes Orders From Google
Barak Obama runs America surely, you might well be thinking. We would argue that no US President since Eisenhower has truly run the USA. But the latest revelation of how cosy the Obama Administration has become with corporate business, to the extent that government departments are taking instruction from Google will shock even the most cynical Americans

Rhodes Statue Defaced As South Africa Slides Back Into Primitive Tribalism
A statue of colonial leader Cecil Rhodes at the University of Cape Town has been removed after students launched an uncompromising campaign to have the British explorer and businessman expunged from history. Protesters poured red paint on the bronze figure and danced on the plinth as the statue was lifted off on Friday.

Punish Climate Change Liars" Demands Climate Change Liar
Over the years my scepticism about global warming and attempts to initiate intellgent discussion of the dodgy science based on mathematical models that forms the basis of the Warmageddonist case, versus much less alarming projections based on data from real world observations haveearned me accusations of being a child murderer. Not only that, some of the lefties who support climate fascism have demanded the death penalty for people who disagree with them. And yet they think it unfair to punish certain child rapists and murderers. Hypocrites.

US Soldiers Forced To Sit Through P C 'White Privilege Presentation. Not Happy Bunnies
The U.S. Army is investigating an unauthorized diversity training presentation on “white privilege” shown to hundreds of Georgia soldiers, USA Today reported, citing an Army spokeswoman. The Equal Opportunity training presentation was shown to about 400 soldiers of the 67th Signal Battalion at Fort Gordon on Thursday, according to Captain Lindsay Roman.

Britain's Racist Future: Labour Set To Throw Selection On Merit Out The Window
With four weeks to go until a General Election that could change the face of Britain forever, the Labour Party, which hopes to be elected to govern this great and proud nation, has unveiled a set of policies that would make minorities into privileged castes and relegate the white Working and middle classes to the status of second class citizens. Could you vote for a party that hates your country, your party and YOU?

Now We Know Why Huge TPP Trade Deal Is Kept Secret From the Public
A key section of the secret Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement has been leaked to the public. The New York Times has a major story on the contents of the leaked chapter, and it's as bad as many of us feared. Now we know why the corporations and the Obama administration want the TPP, a huge "trade" agreement being negotiated between the United States and 11 other countries, kept secret from the public until it's too late to stop it.

Judge Cuts 20 Year Old's Rape Sentence By 15 Years Because 'He Did Not Mean To Hurt 3-Year-Old Victim
It could only happen in the land of politically correct twattery of course, while here in the UK Labour Party supporters and the Islington Screechers corps wail and gnash their teeth over the fact that pedophiles are denied fulfillment and must be given the right to fuck four year olds, in California the judiciary are acting to rectify the situation ...

Teacher Forced To Resign For 'Sharing' Material Critical Of Obama And His Beloved Muslim Terrorists
The supporters of the wannabe King of the American Empire like to describe themselves as 'liberal', 'progressive', and left wing. If they were really any of those things they would not be as fanatically committed to the idea of suppressing free speech as they are.

US Presidents Of The Past warned Against Secret, Shadow Government. By now it should be obvious that peacemake, joybringer and putative aquatic pedestrian Barack Hussein Obama was never really in charge of the US Government. Whatever Obama said would happen, all the American government's policies ensured the opposit would happen. The embedded article thows some light on how the US government really works

Google Meets White House Officials Every Week Why?
... Given the close relationship the company has with the Obama administration, an administration which has shown itself to be severely "truth challenged," in its dealings with the public, this is of some concern.

Indiana pizza shop closes after anti-gay marriage comments; donations pour in


An Indiana pizza shop owner’s anti-gay marriage stance is paying off. Online supporters donated more than $33,000 in three hours to Memories Pizza after the pie maker’s controversial pledge not to cater same-sex weddings spawned a wave of criticism.

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