Does Britain Need Proportional Representation
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Electoral Reform in Britain - Is It Time for True Proportional Representation?
by Arthir Foxake
Like a deluded alcoholic, the Electoral Reform Society keeps trying to push the same old nonsense - despite repeatedly being proven wrong wrote 'unreconstructed Blairite and Hampstead 'posh boy' socialist (aka Champagne socialist) Dan Hodges in The Daily Telegraph
The UK General Election in May 2015 was the "most disproportionate in British history", the Electoral Reform Society has said.
In its review of results the society, which has campaigned for changes in the voting system to end the disenfranchisement of a significant proporation of the electorate, has assessed how Parliamentary seats would have been distributed among the parties had a voting system that reflected more fairly the numbers of votes cast for each party been used.
The analysis shows UKIP, which gathered 3.9 million votes should have won up to 80 MPs and the Greens with 1.2 million votes, 20. Those parties ended up with one MP each.
Katie Ghose, the society's chief executive described the 'first past the post system' used in Britain (i.e. the candidate with most votes in each constituency wins, votes for all other candidates are wriiten off) as "archaic" and "divisive". She said: it "leaves millions disenfranchised and forces millions more to vote for a the candidate they think is least bad, the minor parties, whose candidates might better represent the interests of certain groups having no chance of winning.
Contributors to this publication all feel we need a fairer system for electing our MPs to reflect the massive chances in society since the universal franchise was intriduced almost a hundred years ago.
Under the proportional represntation method system known as the regional list, used for European elections the result would have been Conservatives 242 (-89), Labour 208 (-24), SNP 30 (-26), Lib Dems 47 (+39), Plaid Cymru 5 (+2), Ukip 80 (+79), Greens 20 (+19). With a Single Traansferable Vote method the result would have been Conservatives 276 seats (-55), Labour 236 (+4), SNP 34 (-22), Lib Dems 26 (+18), Plaid Cymru 3 (nc), UKIP 54 (+53) and the Greens 3 (+2). (Source BBC News)
The Liberal Democrats, traditionally the biggest losers from our voting system demanded a referendum on voting reform as part of the price for supporting the conservatives in the coalition government after the 2010 election. The Conservatives blindsided the Lib Dems however by offering an Alternative Vote (AV) system which was rejected because it was set up to fail; a system which was not understood was handed to the LibDems (who have completely disintegrated in office) to make the case for, while the Conservatives opposed them.
Fortunately voters saw through the scam, and rejected AV because it would simply have entrenched the two party system more deeply. Choice architecture, again. Given a choice between two equally unsatisfactory systems, voters will most likely vote 60/40 for the status quo.
To claim that a proper debate on the subject has taken place, and a definitive answer produced, which appears to be the position of both The Conservative and Labour party managers, is so dishonest it does not merit serious consideration.
To claim that the recent election, focussed as it was on a very narrow range of issues while major changes problems festered in the back-ground, was a fair reflection of public opinion is typical of the intellectual dishonesty of the political establishment.
Were we to have Proportional Representation anybody regardless of their constituency could have their vote really count. Who they actually decide to vote for will have an impact. So of course it would mean that were a party to come along with a compelling message that people liked, such as UKIP, even more people would be likely to vote for them as the fact you're surrounded in your constituency by Labour or Tory or 'others' supporters would be irrelevant.
ALL VOTES would count and the traditional parties would have a big battle to keep their core votes let alone win anyone else over.
AV was rejected because it was set up to fail; a system which wasn't understood was handed to the LibDems (who have completely disintegrated in office) to make the case for, while the Conservatives opposed them.
Choice architecture, again. Give the voters a choice between two equally unsatisfactory options, and they will most likely vote 60/40 for the status quo.
To claim that a proper debate on the subject has taken place, and a definitive answer produced, which appears to be Mr Hodges position, is such nonsense that it doesn't admit of coherent discussion.
To claim that the recent election - focussed as it was on a very narrow range of issues, while major changes unfolded cumbrously and little understood in the back-ground - is typical is also intellectual dishonesty of a fairly blatant sort.
The basic argument for PR is not that we have a Conservative Government but that the present Winner Takes All voting system is unfair to voters and undemocratic. It would be equally unfair and democratic if any other party had 50.9% of the MPs for only 36.9% of the votes.
The Winner Takes All system system is particularly dangerous at present because it is leading to the break-up of the UK despite Scotland’s “No” vote last year. The SNP’s 95% of Scottish MPs, because of Winner Take All, gives the erroneous impression that the Scottish people overwhelmingly support independence even though the SNP had only 50% of the Scottish votes.
The voters made the SNP the fifth largest party in the UK but Winner Take All made it the third largest party in the House but because of the Conservatives wafer thin majority, arguably the most influential.
With the Labour Party is licking its wounds and electing a new Leader, the SNP, artificially enlarged by the voting system, may become the de facto Opposition. It will present the political debate less as Right v Left than as England v Scotland.
A more representative House, with more Conservative and other pro-Union MPs from Scotland, would have averted this danger.
Students of political history may recall that Winner Takes All gave Irish Republicans a disproportionately large share of MPs in the 19th century and this led to the division of Ireland and the secession of the south from the UK.
First past the post is of course a horse racing analogy. So to extent it, 63% of the those who voted on May 7th now think of themselves as 'also rans'. Even in horse racing you can place an each way bet (PR). To many their interaction with politics is at best tenuous, they vote for they party they hope will best represent their interests and then moan about the government until it is time to vote again.
'We' (as a national community) take in political news as we do advertising, unavoidable but of little interest. Our favourite boxed sets and the X Factor are of far greater importance. This suits Westminster, the apathetic are easily governed especially if you can persuade them that a vote in line with any convictions they might harbour is wasted and that people should vote on the basis of social class. Those of us concerned for the future as Conservatives and Labour try to drag us towards integration into a Federal European Superstate, know we need to make a case for a new democratic model, a more responsive model which, with the aid of the kind of technology we are using here, could make many more of us feel included in how the World is run.
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Inconvenient Fact: Morgan Stanley Says Electric Cars Create More CO2 Than They Save<
Why Are The Left Outraged About Trump Doing Things They Cheered Obama For
Genocide Of Ideas
Van smashes into pedestrians in central Barcelona
Just about everybody in borthern Europe knows Sweden is fucked. Following a public backlash at a declaration that the military exists to defend gay rights, Sweden’s army, showing the stupendous depth of stupidity engendered by left wing thinking, has promised to "never give up" promoting its support for LGBT issues.Maybe Trump Is Not Quite The Evil Bad Guy Media Told You He Is
My blogs The Daily Stirrer and Boggart Abroad have reported the reasons behind Trump’s decision to end the CIA’s covert Syria program if aiding ISIS and AlQaeda affiliated groups. Few people outside of those who look to alt_media were even aware of this US State Department policy, or that it was instigated by Trump’s saitly predecessor, Barack Hussein Obama, who in his desperation to remove Syria’s President Assad was prepared to lie about the true nature of his beloved ‘moderate rebels.’
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Soros Ally Mayor Awarded UN Prize for Welcoming Migrants Kicked Out of Office
Political Crisis In Sweden Poses New Threat For EU
The folly of world view thinkers minimum wage obsession.
EU To Force Poland, Hungary And Czech Republic To Accept Refugees - The Daily Stirrer A month after the EU Commission took legal action against Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic for "defaulting on their legal obligations" by refusing to comply with the EU's refugee quotas," (i.e., accept migrants), on Wednesday the three Central European nations were again forced to defend their sovereignty after the bureaucratic dictatorship in Brussels went to the European Court Of (in)Justice in a bid to force them to comply with EU refugee quotas.
Welcome to the Era of Artificial Intelligence and Technological Deceit
London ‘honor killing’ victim ‘raped, murdered & stuffed in freezer for dating boy from different Muslim sect’
Electrosensitivity - the Wi - Fi disease.
Soft Coup In The House Of Saud Spells Trouble For West
EU "Sounds Alarm" Over New US Sanctions On Russia; Germany Threatens Retaliation
Surging Anti-Semitism in Germany Sparks Cry for Help from Jewish Community The German government, which for decades has been very efficient in downplaying anti - jewish feeling in Germany, is now being openly accused of abandoning its Jewish community. As a surging tide of anti-Semitism has raged through German cities where latge immigrant communities have been encouraged, the age old hatreds between Muslim and Jew mean that for the first time since the Nazi era ...
Sharia Hell For White Women In US Cities
The Genocide Of Ideas
Chechen Islamic Police Now Enforcing Sharia Law On Streets Of Berlin
Majority of Italians Say Government Committing ‘Ethnic Replacement’
Father of A.I. Shocks Everyone With His Newest (Scariest) Creation
UK Labour Party left denies plans to ‘purge’ anti-Corbyn members
France to 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040'
Fatal Courtroom Decision Ruins Michael ‘hockey stick’ Mann
UK Government Accused Of Covering Up Saudi Arabia Funding Of TerrorismA new report commissioned by David Cameron before he resigned as Prime minister has highlighted links between recent terror attacks in the UK and the funding of UK mosques by the extremist Wahhabi regime in Saudi Arabia, which "is heavily involved in exporting an illiberal, bigoted fundamentalist ideology." The report criticises Cameron's successor for "kowtowing" to Saudi Arabia's king by suppressing another government report into the funding of extremism in the UK.
India's Cashless Society set to fail but slide to fascism goes onMany wealthy and allegedly educated people have never used a bank card. Most are incapable of learning how to use the cards. With people tired of corrupt, untrustworthy and unpredictable banks incapable of providing reliable services, cash is coming back with a vengeance. The economy, however, continues to be stagnant. Businesses continue to fail, businessmen have grown tired of corrupt and rapacious bureaucrats and an extremely uncertain regulatory regime ...
"Italy Threatens To Seize NGO Boats as Mediterranean Migrant Crisis Intensifies
Becoming Humandroids: Will We Let The Nerds Steal Our Humanity
Macron's Dodges Press Conference - Says Mind 'Too Complex To Answer Questions
EU Judge Accuses Brussels of ‘Imperialism’ as Negotiations Falter
White House Says It Will Fake "Chemical Weapon Attack" In Syria
Government Fails Jewish School Over Lack of ‘Correct’ LGBT Teaching
Is Technology Replacing Mind Workers As Well As Manual Workers
While the Tesla company and its Ubernerd founder Elon Musk have for several years been the darlings of the stock markets and the media, things may be changing. Like most technology startups, Tesla talk a good launch but fail to deliver real results. Since the cars launched to widespread admirationed at the elegant design, and open mouthed shock at the huge price tags and ...
In the Swedish governments latest insult to all that is sane, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has announced his government will force all priests in the Swedish church to marry same-sex couples. Mr Lofven argued that it did not matter what the view of the individual priests was and even supports a motion to only allow priests who agree with same-sex marriage the opportunity to be ordained
Social Justice Warriors and The Folly Of The Minimum Wage
The Rich Have Lost Touch With Reality
US Gov’t Proves Loyalty To ISIS And Saudi Arabia Bill To ‘Stop Arming Terrorists’ Gets Only 13 Supporters
Russia Halts Cooperation With US In Syria, Will “Intercept Any Aircraft” In Russian Areas Of Operation
We Know What Inspired The Manchester Attack, We Just Won't Admit It
Left wing news organisations are still in denial about the problems being caused in European societies by the unchecked influx of unskilled, illiterate immigrants from backward third world nations. We have reported in this omnibus page on Sweden, where the ruling elite want to replace ethnic Swedes and Swedish culture with what they imagine will be a lovey - dovey, caring, sharing, Kumbaya singing, head-in-the-clouds global culture ...Saudi Arabia Bids For Islamic Globalisation
soon after the suicide bomb at The Manchester Arena, I felt obliged to defriend someone on facebook, whom I have known online for around ten years. So what did this sweet lady, who writes books on medieval witchcraft and calls herself a pagan, do to piss me off? She showed herself to be a hypocrite by posting a whinge about people reacting with anger and 'hate' to this latest atrocity; "I'm all about compassion, I will not stand by and see Muslims victimised because of this." Oh yeah? And what about the dead and injured victimised by a muslim extremist?
This Is Bizarre - Italy's 5-Star Party Latest Flop For Anti - EU Movement In Elections
Russia Intercepts US Aircraft Over Baltic During NATO Military Exercises
What’s Really Happening With Saudi Arabia and Qatar Will Not Be Televised
US strikes pro-govt forces in Syria, shoots down drone
More bad news for warmists: NASA finds no retreat of polar ice
The Demise Of Nate Silver's Infallibility And Data-Driven Journalism
Even Clinton Groupies Are Sick Of Hillary's Bullshit
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London Mayors links to terrorism and Islamic extremism exposed. When The Labour Party put up Sadiq Khan as their candidate for Mayor of London it was seen as a cynical ploy, it is well known that Labour voters will vote for a dog turd if it has a red rosette stuck on it, so obviously feeling confident enough to take around 40% of the vote for granted it was a politically smart move to pitch for the votes of London's large and growing Muslim population ...
Voters were assured that Sadiq Khan despised Muslim extremism and would, as mayor, work to promote integration and mutual understanding. And when new medisa muckrakers such as Guido Fawkes blog found that Mr. Khan was not quite as clean as he had been painted (or whitewashed), mainstream media went into a frenzy of self righteousness, throwing accusations of racism and bigotry around like snowflakes in a blizzard. CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, they yelled at those who questioned Khan's claims to be a moderate, secular Muslim. As usual the 'conspiracy theory' has turned out to be true.
Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax VIDEO
NASA Data Proves Trump Right to Exit Paris Climate Accord
Trump Announces US To Quit The Paris Climate Accord
Brexit Will Not Make UK More Exposed to Attacks, Says Former Counter-Terrorism Chief
Majority of Swedes Think Media Lies About the Impact of Mass Migration
Obama’s Climate Change Leaves A Lot To Be Desired It is customary for US Presidents, when they leave office either having served two terms, been defeated in an election, or of their own volition, to fade quietly into the background. This is largely good manners, for an ex President to appear to be trying to intervene on political issues and influence events or public opinion is not only undignified, it is socially divisive ...
Obama Trumped As He Tries To Persuade Germans He's Still President
Only hours after Donald Trump infuriated Angela Merkel and the rest of his G-7 peers by refusing to endorse the Paris climate treaty, the US President has done it again. Hausfrau Volksfuhrer Merkel has now decided Europe can no longer rely on the USA to commit military support to EU nations that do not pay their NATO subs, should they come under attack, he has done it again ...
Merkel Furious After Trump Refusal To Toe The Party Line Causes G-7 Failure To Agree To Agree On Climate Change
Intelligence Agencies Admit 23,000 Jihadis Live In Britain; 3,000 Pose "Imminent Threat"
UK Government Ignore Terrorists Linked to Manchester Massacre for Decades
Democrats Russia-Trump Claim Collapses. CIA Director Tells Hearing Hillary, Not Trump Collaborated With Russians
Manchester Bomber Repeatedly Reported to Authorities over Five Year Period
Hillary Clinton's Crimes Are Much Worse Than We Thought
Congressman Trey Gowdy, who has a reputation in Washington for asking questions the rich and powerful do not want to answer has confirmed what was hinted at in a leak a few days ago, namely that the crimes Hillary Clinton is implicated in (including corruption, electoral fraud, abuse of office for personal gain and perjury) are "much worse than first thought." Details emerging from the investigation into her emails are soon to go public ...
Let's Burn Down The Universities
‘US, EU Kill People In Name Of Human Rights Concerns’ – Philippines President Duterte
East Libyan forces launch strikes after air base attack
France: Women In Paris Suburb Protest Over Sexual Harassment
US-led strike against Syrian government forces ‘unlawful’ says Russia
Globalisation And The Destruction Of Civilisation
Political manoeuvering behind India’s anti-corruption crackdown
Oh Shit. Russian-Backed Syrian Troops Advance on U.S. Base in Syria
Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails With WikiLeaks: Report
Ukraine’s Breakaway Donetsk Province Seek To Join Russian Federation
A victim of abuse in the now notorious Muslim grooming gang scandal in Rotherham, Yorkshire, said she first reported being raped when she was 13 years old, but authorities did nothing and told her not to mention the ethnicity of the attackers.
NYU Accidentally Exposed NSA Encryption Busting Code To The World
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