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Social justice Warriors and The Folly Of The Minimum Wage

One of the great campaign themes of the political left's Social Justice Warriors in recent years has been the minimum wage. Unfortunately the bastion of current left wing politics and the platform of Social Justice Warriors is self righteousness. This explains why their afforts to help chosen minorities usually achieve the opposite of what was orginally intended.
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Social Justice Warriors and The Folly Of The Minimum Wage

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McDonalds Is Replacing 2,500 Minimum Wage Workers With Digital Cashiers: Here Is Its Math

While the latest employment figures in the USA appeared to signal a pick up in the jobs market, with unemployment benefit claim falling, only people unaware if the statistical prestadigitation used to massage the figures (people unemployed for two years or more are not counted as unemployed - they are, to borrow a term from the old Soviet Union, 'unpersoned.') oblivious to the carnage among the broader restaurant and fast-food sector or what financial news website Zero hedge calls the waiters and bartenders economy.

McDonald's are doing particularly well, after several years of looking like the sick man of the stock market, the fast food chani's latest innovation has sent share prices soaring. In a report published this week, analyst Andrew Charles, the calculates the jump in sales as a result of Ronald McDonald's new Experience of the Future strategy of replacing minimum wage workers with digital ordering and payment kiosks (shown above). As a result of legally mandated increases in minimum wages, the biggest employer of minimum wage workers will replace cashiers in at least 2,500 restaurants by the end of 2017 and another 3,000 over 2018. Cowen also mentioned plans for the fast food chain to roll out mobile ordering across 14,000 U.S. locations by the end of 2017.

Here is a snapshot of the figures that Cowen, used to come up with the cost-savings as McDonalds increasingly lays off more and more minimum wage workers and replaces them with "Big Mac ATMs" It shows the full costing and identifies the increases in minimum wage mandated under the Obama administration as the reason why the Ronald McDonald's little munchkins, the client-facing minimum wage workers are now obsolete. And you can bet in a highly competitive business other fast food chains will be quick to follow suit.

McD is cultivating a digital platform through mobile ordering and Experience of the Future (EOTF), an in-store technological overhaul most conspicuous through kiosk ordering and table delivery. Our analysis suggests efforts should bear fruit in 2018 with a combined 130 bps contribution to U.S. comps. We believe mobile ordering better supplements the drive-thru business where 70%+ of U.S. sales are transacted. In our view, MCD's differentiation lies in the operational enhancements of mobile ordering that includes curbside pick-up of orders in order to not disrupt the drive-thru.

We are most excited for mobile ordering, Experience of the Future and the launch of fresh beef to help drive U.S. same store sales in 2018. We provide analysis for the latter three, which cumulatively we expect to contribute roughly 150 bps to U.S. same store sales in 2018, respectively. This gives us confidence to raise our 2018 U.S. same store sales forecast from 2% to 3%, in excess of Consensus Metrix’s 2.5%.

Experience of the Future Features Lower ROI Than Mobile Order, But Offers Greater Potential Longer Term We are constructive on the use of guest facing technology for the restaurant industry. MCD’s longer-term U.S. story revolves around Experience of the Future (EOTF), a holistic operational and technological overhaul to the store base. MCD’s March 2017 investor meeting centered around the initiative with interactive displays. Perhaps the most conspicuous piece of Experience of the Future lies in digital kiosk ordering, which have seen success in International Lead Markets. Additionally, food ordered via the kiosk is delivered to the customer’s table. We believe EOTF better enhances the instore experience, which represents roughly 30% of domestic sales compared to mobile ordering, which allows customers to avoid leaving their cars.

Our ROI math suggests EOTF leads to a 9% cash/cash return in Year 1 in the 55% of domestic stores that do not require a store remodel, and 5% in the 45% of stores that require a remodel, which is a predecessor to implementing EOTF. Our math is premised on total costs of $150,000 for the Experience of the Future enhancement, and $700,000 of all-in costs when including EOTF as well as a store remodel. MCD has offered to pay 55% of the cost for Experience of the Future, in excess of the 40% the company contributed to the store remodel initiative beginning in 2010, for restaurants that commit to the program by the end of 2017.

McDonald’s targets a high-teens return on incrementally invested capital (ROIIC, or McSpeak for evaluating ROI), improving to the mid-20% range beginning in 2019. We believe EOTF’s ROI is captured over time as the sales lift does not dissolve as in the case of a traditional restaurant remodel. Rather, the lift should sustain as we expect consumers to increasingly embrace technological change. This is evidenced across concepts, such as Panera’s experience with 2.0, as well as McDonald’s own experience in Canada, where kiosks saw 12-13% sales mix in Year 1 and 27% in Year 2. We also note kiosk ordering will also likely lead to labor savings over time which should help boost ROIIC, but is unlikely for the foreseeable future.

In 2017, MCD expects to end the year with EOTF offered in 2,500 domestic locations from 500 at 2016-end. MCD targets the majority of domestic locations to feature EOTF by 2020, but has not given intermediary targets. The amount of stores adding EOTF depends on franchise reception to the initiative but we see positive indicators given our checks as well as the company’s disclosure that 90% of franchisees approved of the initiative after taking the same interactive tour that was given at the March 2017 investor day.

We estimate 3,000 locations to add EOTF in 2018, which should lead to a 70 bps contribution to U.S. same store sales assuming an even cadence of restaurants adding the initiative over the course of the year. Further we assume the mix of stores adding EOTF in 2018 reflects the mix of overall stores needed to add EOTF, or 55% of stores that already have a remodel while 45% require a store remodel. McDonald’s has previously announced plans to remodel 650 restaurants in 2017, which we expect will also add EOTF.

Or to put it more succinctly, the great achievement of the Social Justice Warriors and the Community Organiser In Chief in the closing stages of the Obama presidency has succeeded not in doubling the wages of low paid workers but in putting them out of jobs.

Throughout the US presidential election campaign one of the main policy pledges of Democratic nomination contender Bernie Sanders was that the minimum wage would be lifted to $15 per hour. This current move by McDonalds is a direct reaction to minimum wage laws in some states where liberals dominate the state legislature. The jobs being lost to technology are simply not worth $15 an hour, so well done Bernie Sanders & Co. as predicted in January 2016 thanks to your economic illiteracy many thousands of people who used to earn minimum wage will have no job at all.

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Seattle Min Wage Hikes Crushing The Poor: 6,700 Jobs Lost, Annual Wages Down $1,500

University of Washington Study

Just last week we noted that McDonalds launched plans to replace 2,500 human cashiers with digital kiosks as a result of some US states where local politics is dominated by Obama mini-mees and accordingly the legal minimum wage has ben hoisted up to a completely uneconomic $15 per hour.

Of course, no matter how much anecdotal and/or hard evidence is presented to liberals on the negative consequences on higher minimum wages they simply can't be convinced it's a bad idea. Somehow, the basic economic concept that raising the price of good (i.e. wages) would somehow destroy demand (i.e. employment levels) for that good just does not compute in the minds of progressives.

Never the less, below is yet another study from economists at the University of Washington (not an institution noted for right wing sympathies) that reveals some fairly startling takeaways about Seattle's $15 per hour minimum wage. Per the chart below, minimum wages in Seattle increased from $11 in 2015 to $13 in 2016 and $15 in 2017 for large employers.

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To our total shock, the study found that higher minimum wages caused a 9.4% reduction to total hours worked by low-skilled workers, or roughly 14 million hours per year. Given that a full-time employee works 2,080 hours per year, that's equivalent to just over 6,700 full-time equivalents who have lost their jobs, just in the city of Seattle, courtesy of moronic politicians who don't seem to grasp basic mathematical concepts.

Our preferred estimates suggest that the Seattle Minimum Wage Ordinance caused hours worked by low-skilled workers (i.e., those earning under $19 per hour) to fall by 9.4% during the three quarters when the minimum wage was $13 per hour, resulting in a loss of 3.5 million hours worked per calendar quarter. Alternative estimates show the number of low-wage jobs declined by 6.8%, which represents a loss of more than 5,000 jobs. These estimates are robust to cutoffs other than $19.45 A 3.1% increase in wages in jobs that paid less than $19 coupled with a 9.4% loss in hours yields a labor demand elasticity of roughly -3.0, and this large elasticity estimate is robust to other cutoffs.

Adding insult to injury, pay hikes weren't nearly enough to offset lost hours...

Importantly, the lost income associated with the hours reductions exceeds the gain associated with the net wage increase of 3.1%. Using data in Table 3, we compute that the average low-wage employee was paid $1,897 per month. The reduction in hours would cost the average employee $179 per month, while the wage increase would recoup only $54 of this loss, leaving a net loss of $125 per month (6.6%), which is sizable for a low-wage worker.

To our complete 'surprise', the study found that demand for low-wage jobs is more elastic than prior studies from more liberal institutions may have suggested. Shockingly, low-wage jobs are apparently particularly susceptible to automation...who knew?

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Economy Booming, Unemployment Dropping So Why Are So Many People Out Of Work?

by Phil T Looker, January 21, 2014

Unemployment is in freefall the latest government figures say. So why aren't we feeling it?

People are working, but work doesn't pay. Employment is up, but tax revenue is down. The economy is humming again, yet Britain is still in debt. What exactly is going on?

The latest statistics, published today show unemployment rates have fallen to their lowest level in five years. The Coalition has presided over an incredible boom in employment, with Britain gaining jobs at the fastest rate of any country in Europe. This week David Cameron even resurrected the old dream of “full employment”; our own leader column calls it a “jobs miracle”.

So why isn’t it doing us any good?

Even with more people in work than ever before tax revenues aren't what were predicted. Why? The usual suspects are involved, part time working, zero hours contracts, and the statistical trick of only counting those claiming job seekers allowance as unemployed and classifying the long term unemployed (jobseekers allowance runs out after two years,) as not economically actice. Count the real umemployed rather than the 'scientifically' umemployed and the figure has dropped little since its peak in 2009. As it happens, two analysts at Citigroup - Michael Saunders and Ann O'Kelly - have been considering exactly this question.

They found that the problem is not corporation tax – higher profits mean revenues have grown at almost double the rate they were predicted to this spring. Nor is it VAT, which has grown by exactly as much as expected. Stamp duty has gone up by 34 per cent. Neither high-rolling executives nor ordinary shoppers have slowed down their contributions. You can read the full analysis with charts in this Daily Telegraph article.

It is an excellent analysis and confirms all of the suspicions cited by busness managers and accountants. It will be useful however, for the benefit of those who are not accountants, to expand on the bare statistics in order to highlight where the under-employed, and those who claim the lion's share of working tax credits, are coming from. See this report created by a statistician with the help of a Freedom Of Information request. Yes, its another indictment of uncontrolled immigration and the eagerness of main pary politicians to smooth the path of those who arrive in our country illegally, to full residency rights.

The problem with the Government / Office of National Statistics methodology is the manner in which the UK assigns 'nationality' to anyone who wasn't born in this country, and excludes naturalised British citizens (i.e. it doesn't include non-UK born children who were naturalised).

From Table 2 in Saunders and Kelly's analysis it is notable that of lower income tax credits families with children - i.e. whose awards include both Working Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit - over a quarter (27.13%) are migrant families.

From Table 3 this group of lower income families with children forms almost half (48.25%) of all migrant families claiming tax credits. Lower income families with children form a smaller proportion of non migrant families claiming tax credits (39.14%).

From Table 3 a slightly lower proportion of migrant families are out of work families with children (26.5%) than non migrant families (31.4%). However, from Table 2 migrant families comprise nearly a fifth of tax credits families who are out of work couples with children (19.49%) but only half that proportion of out of work single parents (10.59%).

The key issue however is that despite the increase in employment numbers there has not been a corresponding increase in the income tax take.

Clearly there has been an increase in low paid low skilled jobs. The influx of labour from eastern Europe and the subcontinent combined with Gordon Browns working tax credits has meant that the elasticity of labour supply has depressed wage growth and it may be simply that the treasury models have incorrectly forecast, in their models, this effect. Secondly, there has been a significant increase in self employment, many of these self employment jobs have been created by East Europeans typically your Polish/ Romanian builders and as such the tax take from such employment is generally much lower than PAYE as a result of cash transactions etc.

Additionally, at least from my experience, much of the self employment increase has also been driven from higher Salary earners particularly in the media and IT sectors (so fed up with high levels of Tax and what they see as Government waste) that they opt out of PAYE employment and take on contract work under IR 35 where they can reduce their Tax charge by as much as 30% to 40% as well as their NI charges.

Thirdly, the very low even negative yields on fixed income investments that have resulted from the strength of the dollar must have a significant impact on the tax take.

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One third of all British workers to be replaced by machines in just 20 years


by Xavier Connolly - 11 November, 2014

In what must be bad news for anyyone earning under £30,000 per year (and that’s about 90% of the working adults in the UK) thisismoney.couk today revealed that a third of all British jobs could be replaced by machines in as little as 20 years because of rapid advances in technology, according to a new study.

The research, carried out by two Oxford University academics, and commissioned by management services conglomerate Deloitte, which was published earlier this week, found that repetitive processing and support service jobs are most at risk of being replaced. Rapid advances in computer intelligence puts jobs at high risk of disappearing, the researchers found.

“High risk” work areas also include office and administrative support, sales and services, transport, building and extraction, and production; just about everything then. This is not only related to increased automation and advances in 'artificial intelligence' (parsing data very rapidly) of course. Offshoring work to low labour cost economies and the ever widening wealth gap betwen rich and poor are also taking their toll.

Forty percent of UK jobs(mostly in London) however, are reported to be at low or no risk , the researchers said, including positions in senior management, financial services, computing, engineering and science, education, legal services, community services, the arts and media, and healthcare.

The study also found that jobs paying under £30,000 a year were almost five times more likely to be replaced by machines than jobs paying more than £100,000. In some ways this makes sense but its hard to see how a Filipina domestic on £30 a week, two pot noodles a day and a folding bed in the garage, or a Romanian women trafficked here to fill a vacancy for a sex worker, can be replaced by machines. OK, so there are plans to give us all a robot sex toy but such things will be a lot more expensive that a Romanian slave.

Another big question is left unanswered too, one that always strikes me when these speculations about a futurist utopia in which the needs of the elite are serviced by robots. How are all the high paying jobs going to be sustained and corporate profits kept in growth if a third of the working population have no jobs and hence no money to spend in a consumer driven economy that will completely collapse if it is allowed to stop growing? 10% unemployment is a bad news but 30%plus?

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National Minimum Wage doesn’t work, never has, never will


Just reading this report by the Equality Trust reinforces the fact the National Minimum Wage (NHW) is a completely useless piece of soundbite law designed to keep the poor quiet and their employers happy bunnies. Here’s a useless fact for you – If a Worker was paid the NMW he/she would have to work until September 2nd 2357 to earn the average annual pay of an average FTSE 100 boss.

More interestingly though is if the NMW had risen at the same speed as FTSE 100 CEO pay it would be worth £12.33 an hour today, almost double the current £6.50. Worse, Compared to the NMW’s 81% increase since it’s implementation, the price of a loaf of bread has increased by 149% and the price of gas by 192% – so in effect the NMW is going in reverse compared to actual living costs.

If NMW workers were paid the National Living Wage of £7.65 an hour instead, they would receive an extra £2,182 a year – which would help.

No good news for the low paid at any of the party conferences suggested that politicians are even thinking about reducing income inequality. In fact, a raft of policies announced on pensions, welfare and housing by Dave, Ed and the other one would likely see it increase – well done them.

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Lord Freud urged to explain disabled wage comment


Labour is demanding that Welfare Reform Minister Lord Freud explain to Parliament his controversial suggestion that some disabled workers are "not worth" the minimum wage. The Conservative House of Lords member has been allowed to keep his job after apologising for the remark which was dubbed "offensive" by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and triggered a storm of outraged squealing from the politically correct left, but he was removed from frontbench duties in the House of Lords, in a move which Labour said demonstrates that he does not have the "full confidence" of Prime Minister David Cameron.

Shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves said it was "unacceptable" for Lord Freud to stay in office. In a letter to the Mr. Cameron she demanded to know whether the peer had adequately explained his outburst before being given "a clean bill of health", and whether any work had been done by Government departments on proposals to allow disabled people to be employed at below the £6.50-an-hour minimum wage.

Lord Freud was recorded at a fringe meeting of last month's Conservative Party conference responding to a Tory councillor who suggested that people with mental health problems may be unable to work because employers are unwilling to pay them the statutory minimum.

He replied: "You make a really good point about the disabled ... There is a group - and I know exactly who you mean - where actually, as you say, they're not worth the full wage and actually I'm going to go and think about that particular issue, whether there is something we can do nationally, and without distorting the whole thing, which actually if someone wants to work for £2 an hour, and it's working, can we actually..."

The conversation could easily have been referring to a young man with an autistic spectrum disorder who was employed by a supermarket as a bag packer at the rear of the tills. He was meticulous in his packing, but took forever. Unfortunately if people stated packing theor own bags he tended to bget quite aggressive about it.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said Lord Freud's comments had "cause huge offence", telling LBC radio: "I think what was so offensive to people ... was when he used this word 'worth' and he said some people with disabilities weren't worth the minimum wage. I think that is what has, quite rightly, touched a raw nerve because it's making a comment about someone's individual value."

The Deputy Prime Minister said the peer's comments were "deeply distressing and offensive to people".

But he added: "That shouldn't stop any of us having a discussion and, frankly, a difficult discussion - because some of these issues are difficult - to get more people with disabilities and with other disadvantages in life into the workplace."

Typical weasel words from a politician of the politically correct consensus parties, he agrees with the point Freud his making but is saying the minister should not have spoken plainly and unequivocally on the issue. When pressed on the point of whether it is wrong for people who wanted to work for £2 an hour to be allowed to do so, Mr Clegg said there were examples where it was accepted that people were paid below the usual level of the minimum wage.

"As a society, we say it's acceptable to pay apprentices a different kind of minimum wage. We have a minimum wage operating on a different scale depending on your age," he said.

In other words Mr. Clegg is accepting the principle that a worker must be capable of performing to an economically viable level while at the same time pussyfooting around the issue of whether government and EU rules that impose quitas of disabled workers on businesses are unfair in forcing employers to pay a full wage to sombody who cannot do the job.

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Lord Freud urged to explain disabled wage comment


Labour is demanding that Welfare Reform Minister Lord Freud explain to Parliament his controversial suggestion that some disabled workers are "not worth" the minimum wage. The Conservative House of Lords member has been allowed to keep his job after apologising for the remark which was dubbed "offensive" by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and triggered a storm of outraged squealing from the politically correct left, but he was removed from frontbench duties in the House of Lords, in a move which Labour said demonstrates that he does not have the "full confidence" of Prime Minister David Cameron.

Shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves said it was "unacceptable" for Lord Freud to stay in office. In a letter to the Mr. Cameron she demanded to know whether the peer had adequately explained his outburst before being given "a clean bill of health", and whether any work had been done by Government departments on proposals to allow disabled people to be employed at below the £6.50-an-hour minimum wage.

Lord Freud was recorded at a fringe meeting of last month's Conservative Party conference responding to a Tory councillor who suggested that people with mental health problems may be unable to work because employers are unwilling to pay them the statutory minimum.

He replied: "You make a really good point about the disabled ... There is a group - and I know exactly who you mean - where actually, as you say, they're not worth the full wage and actually I'm going to go and think about that particular issue, whether there is something we can do nationally, and without distorting the whole thing, which actually if someone wants to work for £2 an hour, and it's working, can we actually..."

The conversation could easily have been referring to a young man with an autistic spectrum disorder who was employed by a supermarket as a bag packer at the rear of the tills. He was meticulous in his packing, but took forever. Unfortunately if people stated packing theor own bags he tended to bget quite aggressive about it.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said Lord Freud's comments had "cause huge offence", telling LBC radio: "I think what was so offensive to people ... was when he used this word 'worth' and he said some people with disabilities weren't worth the minimum wage. I think that is what has, quite rightly, touched a raw nerve because it's making a comment about someone's individual value."

The Deputy Prime Minister said the peer's comments were "deeply distressing and offensive to people".

But he added: "That shouldn't stop any of us having a discussion and, frankly, a difficult discussion - because some of these issues are difficult - to get more people with disabilities and with other disadvantages in life into the workplace."

Typical weasel words from a politician of the politically correct consensus parties, he agrees with the point Freud his making but is saying the minister should not have spoken plainly and unequivocally on the issue. When pressed on the point of whether it is wrong for people who wanted to work for £2 an hour to be allowed to do so, Mr Clegg said there were examples where it was accepted that people were paid below the usual level of the minimum wage.

"As a society, we say it's acceptable to pay apprentices a different kind of minimum wage. We have a minimum wage operating on a different scale depending on your age," he said.

In other words Mr. Clegg is accepting the principle that a worker must be capable of performing to an economically viable level while at the same time pussyfooting around the issue of whether government and EU rules that impose quitas of disabled workers on businesses are unfair in forcing employers to pay a full wage to sombody who cannot do the job.

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George Osborne and David Cameron warn more than a thousand jobs will be lost every day if Britain votes for Brexit. It’s just another fearmongering lie, because of course there is not one valid reason for Britain (or any other nation) to stay in the embryonic Nazi empire that the European Union was always intended to become. The EU destroys jobs by making hiring new workers impossibly complicated through bureaucracy and prohibitively expensive because of minimum wage and maximum working hours rules, payroll taxes, unreasonable periods of statutory paid leave and because EU free trade policies make it too easy to offshore jobs to low labour cost environments where rules are less draconian.
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Even The Guardian Now Admits Immigration Depresses Wage Levels

The growth in wages for UK workers is set to remain stagnant, running parallel with inflation at just two per cent next year. This is due to the large number of migrant workers waiting to fill vacancies, as anyone with two or more functioning brain cells was aware and even the loony left newspaper The Guardian has now admitted.

Citing data from the Chartered Institute for Personnel and Development (CIPD) and oficial figures from the Office Of National Statistics, the paper reported that job creation will remain strong over the next year but the benefit of that is undone because of immigration. Wages for most workers will not increase in real terms due largely to the high number of migrant workers.

Although estimates suggest that up to 400,000 new jobs could be created in 2016, there is no sign of a skills shortage, thus making it more difficult for workers to demand pay increases above the rate of inflation. According to separate figures, the number of non-UK nationals in the workforce has rocketed from 986,000 in 1997 to 3.22 million now, thus making up more than 10 per cent of Britain’s workforce.

With offical numbers of immigrants put at close to 400,000 and possibly as many more people arriving in the country illegally and thus being available to take menial jobs at less than the legal minimum wage, despite the strong performance of the UK economy, the jobs situstion is worsening, as a result largely of European Union employment and open borders laws, the British people are feeling no benefit.

Over the past 12 months, three quarters of new jobs created went to non-UK nationals — 326,000, compared to 122,000 for British workers. The CIPD’s chief economist Mark Beatson said: “Our research shows that most employers remain confident about recruitment going into 2016 and most say they have a choice of suitable candidates for most positions. "With record levels of net migration into the UK increasing the supply of labour, it doesn’t look like we’re going to see a skills crunch any time soon. Our research shows pay expectations for the year ahead centred on a 2 per cent increase."

Despite these figures, the government is unlikely to change its pro-migration stance or its 'dark skin good, pale skin bad' approach to border controls any time soon. In November jead - Claud Juncker, the alcoholic, Euronazi President of the EU commission said that mass immigration was "part of Europe’s future", writing:

“Europe needs immigrants, young and committed and eager to learn, future taxpayers who will support an ageing population. Immigrants themselves have a case rooted in justice and humane values that our politicians should have the courage to make.”

In September The Guardia printed an advert from a radical pro-immigration Danish group telling more migrants to come to their country. The ad came after Denmark’s government placed its own notices in third-world newspapers warning potential migrants that welfare benefits payments to immigrants had been reduced. Apologising for their government’s actions, the group Welcome to Refugees wrote:

“…we’re not all like [integration] minister [Inger] Støjberg and the rest of the Danish government. Many of us are bidding refugees a warm welcome. And many of us want to help those who are fleeing torture, bombs, and persecution. We do not believe that families in war-torn countries should learn that a Danish cabinet minister is planning an advertising campaign based on the ill-conceived and erroneous logic that families calculate where they may profit the most from settling as refugees.”

Two percent seems a bit optimistic at least for those of us in private sector actually making stuff type of work. I got zero last year and expect zero this year.

As we have said since The Daily Stirrer began under a different title over ten years ago, what passes for socialist politics these days is simply hatred of European ethnicity, culture and society.

The left often make the claim that we need young immigrants to look after the aging native populations. What happens when the immigrants get old will they refuse to accept a pension or go back home or will the loony left self - righteousness addicts insist on even higher levels of immigration to look after a much higher number of old people?

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