Wedding bells or alarm bells? What gay marriage says about modern Britain

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/telegram/100265319/wedding-bells-or-alarm-bells-what-gay-marriage-says-about-modern-britain/ As of this Saturday, British gay couples will be able to get married. Finally, they've won the right to be as miserable as the rest of us. In this week's Telegram we ask why this extraordinary social change has come about with so little protest. Graeme Archer, Father Andrew Cain and Peter Williams discuss what this means for both society and religion. AUDIO AND

Caterers who refuse to work on same-sex weddings face prosecution

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10732532/Caterers-who-refuse-to-work-on-same-sex-weddings-face-prosecution.html Chauffeurs, photographers and caterers could have to pay thousands of pounds in damages if they refuse to provide services to a same-sex wedding Chauffeurs, photographers and caterers will break the law if they do not provide services to same-sex couples getting married on conscience grounds, the government's equality watchdog has said. In accordance with new rules introduced yesterday, businesses such as florists, hoteliers and wedding planners could have to pay thousands of pounds in damages to same-sex couples if they refuse to work on a gay wedding. The guidance, drawn up by the Equality and Human Rights Commission and civil servants, makes it clear that "refusal to provide services to customers" is in breach of equality laws and all weddings must be catered for on an equal basis. Churches, religious organisations and other groups opposed to same-sex marriage could be denied contracts with publicly funded bodies such as schools, hospitals and prisons, according to The Sunday Times. Under the new rules, they could lose contracts or be refused grants for any service where their opinion on same-sex marriage cold be "relevant", such as marriage guidance counselling or during the process of adoption or fostering children.

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varya • 32 minutes ago It shows that most of us have been silenced by political correctness and legislation. • Reply • Share › Avatar derekemery • an hour ago The UK enjoys rule by a set of effete, out of touch, self-important , self-regarding, and self-selecting, metrosexual, political class. Confirmation bias enables them to totally ignore all viewpoints that are not consistent with their own. You cannot beat a closed mind that knows all the answers before you even ask the question. They were born knowing everything they would ever think would be right and that the common dirty hoi polloi are always wrong. Are far as they are concerned what the 90%+ think is irrelevant, unimportant and of no account. 7 • Reply • Share › Show 1 new reply Avatar moleykins • an hour ago I'm sure this aspect has been widely commented on, but I must have missed it -namely Does a homosexual marriage (like a heterosexual one) have to be consummated to be valid, and of what does consummation consist,respectively, in a marriage between two males or two females? The mind boggles. Presumably, if two e.g lesbians marry and fail to do to each other or together whatever it is, then that would be grounds to apply for annulment? 1 • Reply • Share › Avatar speedofdark • an hour ago Of course it does not become illegal to campaign for the repeal of an act of parliament...or, does it, in this case? Would any such campaign be deemed to be a Hate crime? • Reply • Share › Avatar Robert Heenan • 2 hours ago Unfortunately this is not the end of the matter as far as the homosexual lobby is concerned. Peter Tatchell has always been campaigning for the lowering of age of consent This is a letter he penned to the Guardian in 1997: BYLINE: Peter Tatchell. SECTION: THE GUARDIAN FEATURES PAGE; Pg. 22 LENGTH: 480 words ROS Coward (Why Dares to Speak says nothing useful, June 23) thinks it is “shocking” that Gay Men’s Press has published a book, Dares To Speak, which challenges the assumption that all sex involving children and adults is abusive. I think it is courageous. The distinguished psychologists and anthropologists cited in this book deserve to be heard. Offering a rational, informed perspective on sexual relations between younger and older people, they document examples of societies where consenting inter-generational sex is considered normal, beneficial and enjoyable by old and young alike. Prof Gilbert Herdt points to the Sambia tribe of Papua New Guinea, where all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood. Far from being harmed, Prof Herdt says the boys grow up to be happy, well-adjusted husbands and fathers. The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy. While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful. Peter Tatchell. Rockingham Street, London SE1 Dont forget Peter Tatchell wrote the chapter “Questioning Ages of Majority and Ages of Consent” for a book openly advocating paedophilia and finding ways “to make paedophilia acceptable“. This book, published in 1986 and called The Betrayal of Youth (B.O.Y.), was edited by Warren Middleton, then vice-chairperson of the Paedophile Information Exchange, Britain’s number one paedophile advocacy group. Stephen Green, anti-paedophile campaigner wrote: “The book was part of acampaign to abolish all ages of consent, destroy the responsibilities of parents for their children, deny any ill-effects on children of interference by paedophiles, and withal to make it easier for paedophiles to gain sexual access to children.“ The MSM and politicians are complicit in promoting homosexual campaigns throughout society just as in the promotion of homosexuality in primary schools so children see it as something cool and something to be proud off and experiment in this stuff from an early age. There's also the issue of homosexuals campaigning for more adoption rights amongst other campaigns. Is Traditional marriage (man and woman as husband/wife) and traditional families being promoted? I dont happen to think so. This is social engineering and There is also cultural imperialism. Just look at the absolute backlash against Russia when Putin banned the promotion of homosexuality to under 18's. 4 • Reply • Share › Avatar Ed Butt Robert Heenan • 17 minutes ago It will probably not surprise you to know Tatchell misrepresented this bit: "Prof Gilbert Herdt points to the Sambia tribe of Papua New Guinea, where all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood" According to the Sambia website being anally raped by older men is part of a brutalising process that turns adolescent males into psychotic, woman hating killers The Sambia sound just like the kind of guys Tatchell likes to meet given his penchant for getting himself beaten up by straight men. Avatar vandieman • 2 hours ago Its started.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10732532/Caterers-who-refuse-to-work-on-same-sex-weddings-face-prosecution.html speedofdark vandieman • an hour ago I have always understood that a businessman can choose to server or not serve and not be required to give any reason. When exactly did that change? • Reply • Share › Avatar mcronny1 speedofdark • 28 minutes ago https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights/types-of-discrimination 2010. It prevents people being refused goods or services on the grounds of race, gender, religion, sexuality or disability. Unfortunately, people such as yourself make legislation like this necessary, as I imagine you would happily see gay people refused service everywhere they went. 2 • Reply • Share › Avatar PierrePendre • 3 hours ago Mr Clegg has explained that gay marriage makes Britain stronger. Now we know why Britain has been weak throughout its history. Assad and Putin will be trembling in their boots at the prospect of having to deal with this new strength. It's encouraging also that gay marriage will give the authorities a whole new range of crimes they can prosecute people for. Florists, chauffeurs and wedding caterers of all kinds will be hauled in front of old Cocklecarrot if they fail to show wholehearted enthusiasm for same-sex marriage. This kind of heavy handed, punitive coercion for any departure from the correct way of thinking and behaving is the only guarantee we have of a tolerant society. (Half a mo, is there a contradiction in that sentence; I'll have to think about it.) But I'm not sure I'd be confident of all the ingredients in a cake that a baker was forced to make against his will by PC49. Avatar ukfred PierrePendre • 2 hours ago What happens when the traders in question refuse to pay fines. If they have secured al lof theirassets in trusts so that the assets are not "their" assets but simply assets they have use of for no charge, then there are no assets to seize,and the people concerned will have to be imprisoned. New prison building programme anyone, but contracts only open to those who agree to the perverted doctrines that have become law. I wonder how long it will be before homosexual experience becomes compulsory for all schoolchildren over the age of sexual consent. Please do not say "Don't be silly!", because that is what people in 1964 would have said if you had told them that homosexual 'marriage' would be available in 50 years time. RELATED POSTS:

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